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As we already explained to you several times the concept of a "sin of gluttony" has nothing to do with either Jesus OR the Bible.

So its not "hypocritical" (and certainly not SUPER so).

Even if it were as central to Christian theology as you wrongly believe it is...your average heartland MAGA hat wearing beer bellied dude would probably say "sometimes you have to commit one sin in order to avoid commiting another sin" and "I eat big macs as comfort food to avoid drinking and smoking crystal meth". And he would have a point.

I am sorry. Were just not impressed. you're gluttony theory is just too silly to even work as a joke.

Try again. Maybe you can find something else to tar them with.

You're acting as if they were made up for the actors in the movie Seven or something, whereas they've been around as a part of Christianity for several centuries At Least.. heck, there's reference to a 4th century monk preaching this stuff, so over 1900 years of Christianity's less than 2300 year history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins

It's not MY theory. It's a teaching of the faith these people pretend to follow.

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It's Worth Noting that 'Evangelical Christians'
'Basically' Believe In and Practice a "Welfare God."

One Might Ask What This Means?

If You Haven't Seen Any Pamphlets

Taped up on Urinals or Commodes in Public Bathrooms Lately, Still, Oh Dear Lord

To Spread 'the Good News;' it "Essentially" All "Boils" Down to, And Yes is "Calorie
Expenditure Reduced" to the Recitation of One Verse in the Entire Bible (Old and New T)

Romans 10:9 "If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and
believe
in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."

In Other Words, Believe in the Myth Over the Teachings of the Man or Die 'Road Runner' and Burn Forever;

HAha Yes, Basically in a "Nut Shell," Free Ticket to Heaven For Reciting A Magical Recipe Verse.

It Doesn't Matter If You Are Adolf Hitler/Trump or Another Real Mother/Saint Theresa/Teresa If

You Don't Recite and Believe

in the Myth With All

Your Heart,

You Go

To Hell
And Burn Forever;

If You Recite the
Magic Incantation
Recipe Believing in
it From Your Heart,

You Get Paradise

in A Dirt Nap Forever;

It Seems This Could Be An

Issue of How Folks Live Their Life;

Making the Best of Life Now or Looking forward to the After-Dirt-Nap.

Unfortunately, They Most All Miss The Message of Luke 17:21, and

(It's True i've Interviewed "Masses" of them in 'Trump Town USA')

John 14:12, Yet Hey It's An Anthology of Free Verse Poetry and

The Such From Innumerable Ghost Authors And Scribes

Making Copy Mistakes and Intentional Changes

Over Millennials And Centuries for Real;

No Numbered Verses Until the 1300's;

Not Even Any Rudimentary Printing
Press Until the 1400's...

What You See is

What You Get;

Mix and Match

'Scripts' From Innumerable
Faceless Authors as such.

Of Course they Picked out

The One that Required the
Least amount of Effort; On the

Other Hand, Other Human Beings
Pursue their Human Potentials Now;

Finding Bliss and Nirvana Within through
Meditative Practices in Flow of Life's Excellence
All Around

Heaven

Now.

Yet It's

True Ya

Might Have

to Rise Up off

Ya Butt and
Screen and the Such
To Accomplish Something Real like that...

Yet who am i to Judge, i don't Have to Make any More Money;

Naked Enough Whole Complete What A Life Eden For Real Brings;

i Let 'Eve' Take Care of the Menu; She Needs me to Drive 'Ms. Daisy'

For Several More Decades as Her Epilepsy Requires a Driver and

She Doesn't

Do Uber at All Hehe...

So Yes She Feeds Me
Well and Keeps a sharp piercing eye
on my Middle Parts If And When they Expand...

'Technically,' i'm More Obese Than Trump at 246 Pounds
By His Faux News Report of 215 Pounds Hehe; Yet ON the Other Hand

(Butts/Legs) they don't make Guidelines for Dudes Who Leg Press 1540 pounds at age 63.

My Doctor Actually Listening to the Blood Flow in my Legs and Took Her Hands to
Feel the Muscles
in my Legs

Recently;

She Said,

No Worries,

No Worries at
All Flying through
All the Tests With Healthy Colors...

It's Worth Noting that the CDC Assesses

Both The Poorest and Richest Folks as the Most Obese...

Recently, i Fell into a Windfall as the Federal Government Owed
me Retirement Back-Pay Ever Since 2009, Losing the Records of
the first 9 Years of what Eventually Was Calculated to Close to 38 Years of Service...

i Didn't Even Go to A Fancy Restaurant to Celebrate; Grilled Chicken Will Do at Whataburger for About Six Bucks With Water

And a Free SMALL Senior Coffee; Instant Gratification is a Real Modern Human Problem Per Sugars and Fats and Porno and

ALL the Rest;

Nope, Humans are
Not Well Evolved Now

For Instant Gratification;

Not Unlike Monkeys, They

Tend to Keep Pressing MANY Levers For the Next High...

i Often Do the Opposite; No Pain No Gain; 'Stay Thirsty my FRiEnDS'...

And i Ain't Gonna Lie, If 'Eve' Didn't Do All the 'Real Life' Responsibilities;
This Would Be
More Difficult;

Yet Again,

Just More

Challenge For
Human Potentials;

Financial Independence,
Definitely A Potential

Core Strength

Or Weakness

Per the CDC Study Again...

'Mileage' Varies Greatly Depending

On Make and Model (Nurture and Nature)

of each

Human

Individual;

Nope, Ya Really Can't

Judge Unless You are actually

Them and Even So, You Could Be Out of Touch With Your Own Self; NDD,
Nature Deficit Disorder; Both US and the Rest, is Increasingly Another 'Human Pandemic;'

Indeed, So Dangerous to the Rest of Animal and Plant Species As We Live Grossly Out of Balance, Overall.

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"Twenty three hundred years"?

Dude...how old is Christianity?

Hint ...what year is this?

Its the year 2023 AD... AD means "annio domini" (the year of our Lord...as set by the early church).

two thousand and twenty three years...AFTER CHRIST!

Christ was born the year one (actually modern historians think it was actually four BC ... but were not being picky here).

Christianity CANT be 2300 years old because ...Christ wasnt going around preaching in 300 BC...three centuries before he himself was born.

Everyone I have ever known who was alive in the twentieth and twenty first centuries, regardless of education level, knew that Christianity is about the same age as whatever the calender year is (about an even 2000 years).

Next question

Can you do arithmetic ?

The "fourth century" began in the year 301 AD.

How long ago was 301 AD?

Answer: 1722 years ago.

Not "1900 years ago".

Well I'm not a nationalist of any flavor, so...

Typo. 2030 or whatever -> 2063?

Point remains that the seven deadly sins have been a part of christianity for at least 85%+ of it's history.

Your math is still off. You subtract from 2023. Not add to it. Unless you want Christ to age backwards.

Christ was supposedly born the year one.

He started preaching...say around age 20. And then got executed at like 33. So dating the age of Christianity from the start of his ministry Christianity would be 2023 minus 20 (two thousand and three years old). But if you date it from his death and resurrection it would be 2023 minus 33. Or around 1990 years old.

The admonition against gluttony aint up there with the Nicene Creed, for example, as being central to Christianity.

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The math is off across the aboard. Let's recognize this for what it is, a chance to act like people who make different dietary choices have no motives beyond being stupid and lazy, with all other contributing factors being handwaved away.

Christianity teaches that humans have a "sin nature", and so that not sinning in this life is pretty much impossible. (That's why Jesus is so important in our theology, because He atoned for us poor dumb humans who can't do anything right.)

So, no one is without sin. It's literally impossible unless you're God incarnate like we believe Jesus was. (Though I have met Christians with weird-ass theology who believe that we can somehow become sinless in this life.)
But also, there is meant to be a structure wherein Christians call other Christians to repentance from chronic and severe sins. Usually within a church context. And there are some especially bad sins, wherein we are supposed to cease association with others over them. Usually sins that hurt others in bad ways, esp sexual harm.

But there are also verses about not judging others, esp over small potatoes. And there are verses about how when we do attempt to correct other Christians, we are to be charitable and even gentle about it.

Like. I do get it. Lots of Christians are quick to judge. I'm a f*****g lesbian, I know first-hand how self righteous most Christians are towards any sin they don't understand. Gluttony? Oh, no one cares. Cheating on your spouse (adultery)? Well, viewed as a serious sin, but the opposition when that happens is not anywhere near as damned loud as when they hear that someone is gay.

In conclusion: Yes, many Christians are major hypocrites and it can be absolutely maddening. Main thing I keep in mind is that I believe God is worth enduring all the angry anti-gay Xtians

You forgot blasphemy, self harming, and probably some other reasons.

I just think it's absurd to suggest that people don't have any choice in what they eat. It's not as if they're marooned on an island somewhere with no local source of food and all they have to eat are the shipment of hfcs gravy slathered sugar cakes that were on board the ship. In that case, consume them as needed for survival until rescue if it's literally impossible to collect any fruit or catch any fish etc.

But people DO have a choice, and a Lot of people consistently make poor choices. Sometimes that includes myself, but I know damned well when I'm making a poor choice to eat some sort of garbage food-impostering product and don't blame others or availability or even budget for that choice. My own family members make some horrendous dietary choices, and IMO, it's going to shorten their lifespans significantly. It's sad/tragic, but nothing I can do about their own self harm via terrible staple dietary choices. I'm certainly still judgemental of their choices, though. It's impossible not to take notice of what they eat and what the results are. Same for strangers in grocery stores - I look around to see carts full of hfcs cheesypoofs and assorted garbage and it's really rather sad.. especially when it's obvious that they're raising their kids on these sorts of diets of nothing but carbs, preservatives, artificial dyes and all sorts of toxins.

Survival? Sure, eat the f*****g packaging ffs. Living? Eat a balanced reasonably healthy diet for a better shot at a balanced reasonably healthy, and longer, life. IMO.

Alternatively, I suppose one could attend confession frequently and zero out their bad choices before they meet their maker. I guess that's the strategy of many. Sin with impunity because Jesus covered it for 'em and they can just ask a priest to let it slide.

Many people seem to struggle with empathy when it comes to situations that they haven’t experienced and can’t relate to for whatever reason.

Relative (not absolute) poverty, mental illness (including depression) and a lack of energy in the rat race that is modern life for people with full time jobs especially, all contribute to people not being able to reliably make healthy food for themselves on a regular basis.

Other issues include poor executive function for autistic folk or for people with adhd, which can make eating healthily a sometimes insurmountable challenge.

And last but not least, some scientists are proposing that ultra processed foods be labelled as addictive. Some people are literally addicted to convenience foods.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/what-are-ultra-processed-foods-increased-dementia-risk-study-b1016123.html

I'll buy mental illness, but not poverty.

Going back to the mcdondald's big mac example: I just checked mcdonald's website for current pricing. A big mac costs $6.19 + 5% tax on restaurant meals = $6.50 and a big mac meal costs $11.59 + 5% = $12.17. It doesn't cost anywhere near as much per meal to buy eggs/tuna/peanut butter for protein, a sac of brown rice, potatoes, onions etc. People can eat healthy food for a lot less money than junkfood - especially fast food restaurant prepared junkfood like mcdonalds, which has gotten to be very expensive junkfood. Poverty isn't a reason to eat mcdonalds food; but eating mcdonalds food can sure as hell be a reason one is living in poverty... $12.17/meal when one can buy an entire roast chicken at Costco for $7.99 and have ~4-5 meals worth of protein out of it! (6-7 if you're a smaller human/light eater.)

Even comparing prepackaged grocery store food items vs. preparing stuff yourself, it's often a lot less expensive and healthier to make a batch of something (cookies, squares of some sort etc) than it is to buy packaged BS. Oatmeal is dirt cheap, pancakes can be damned near free - but I load mine up with fruit and hempseeds and things which make them much more nutritious and cost a bit more but still a fraction of what it would cost to eat mcdonalds food.

I've said it many times on this site and irl: When people have a very limited food budget, it means they have $0 to waste and need optimal nutrition per dollar spent. It makes Zero sense to me At All when people say they're eating dollar store cardboard hfcs BS because they're poor.. ummm, no, it's because you make poor decisions. Buy a sac of rice and a carton of eggs and nourish yourself better for longer for the same $ spent.

As well as any baseline prices for foods that are cooked - you have to factor in cooking times/cost which costs gas or electricity usually on the cooking device.

Using an oven costs a fair bit of money, even just for 30 minutes or so.

It doesn't cost $10, though.

When I cook I do so as economically as possible for what I'm cooking. If I'm just cooking a meal or two for me, I'll use the air fryer (countertop convection oven) vs. oven. If I'm using the oven for a full pan of something, I'm cooking enough for multiple people or multiple leftover meals. Same for if I fire up the bbq - I won't just cook a single burger or chicken breast, I'll cook 4 or 6 and have leftovers for a quick microwave meal the next day or two.

I don't know anyone that would fire up a large appliance to cook a single portion. However, even if they did, it doesn't cost nearly as much for energy as it does to empty one's wallet at a fast food restaurant. (Which are getting hella expensive.. a few times over the last several months I've stopped for a donair or burrito.. double the meat or add guac, small tip, and boom it's 25 bucks for a f*****g wrap!! !? Definitely motivates me to cook for a fraction of the price.)

Maybe it's because:
1. The 7 Deadly Sins aren't biblical.
2. People aren't entirely logical or consistent.