17 Dec 2023, 2:25 pm
Mountain Goat wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Oddly, those Christians who insist most strongly on the Bible being the inerrant Word of God are all too often, in some ways, among the least faithful to Jesus's central teachings.
I would be interested in your comments on "Christians in the hands of an angry God" by Brad Hicks, 2004:
- Part 1
- Part 2
- Part 3
- Part 4
- Part 5.
I would be interested in your comments on "Christians in the hands of an angry God" by Brad Hicks, 2004:
- Part 1
- Part 2
- Part 3
- Part 4
- Part 5.
I read some of the first part and I do not share his views.
... followed by a statement of your theological beliefs about the Bible, and about your own personal experiences and feelings. But none of that is relevant to the main point of the article, which has to do with what the Bible itself says on various moral issues, whether one believes in it or not, and regardless of how one feels about it.
I would be interested in your comments on the following, from Part 1:
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You see, Judgement Day is described in three places in the Bible. In the false churches of the false gospel, they teach and preach extensively on one of them, 1st Corinthians chapter 15. They talk about Revelations chapter 20, but they don't quote it completely or accurately. But there's a third place where Judgement Day is described, and in rather more detail than in either of those places. What's more, it's described by the one who's going to do the judging. Wouldn't you think that that would be the interesting place to study Judgement Day? I'd certainly be more interested in the explicit, complete description of how the dead shall be judged that comes from the Judge Himself than one that came from any apostle, however inspired. And indeed, they can't completely make this description go away. But they have a false and fatuous explanation of it, one that encourages people to forget what they just read and go back to believing that lie about how all they had to do was pray, "God have mercy on me, a sinner." Here's what Jesus had to say, in His own words, in Matthew 25:31-46, when His followers asked him what the end was going to be like:
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Yes, the scripture teaches that no amount of feeding the hungry and giving drink to the thirsty and clothing the naked and visiting prisoners will save you without Jesus' sacrifice. Yes, the Scripture teaches submission to Christ in faith. But it also clearly and unambiguously teaches that the only true way is neither pure faith nor pure works, but faith that works. If you think that your faith is in Jesus Christ but that faith allows you to callously neglect, feel contempt for, or actively despise the poor and unfortunate, then yours is not a gospel of Jesus Christ, but of the Devil himself. If you allow that urge to neglect to influence you, if you show that contempt, if you actively spite the poor and unfortunate because that false gospel taught you that it was OK to do so, then Jesus Himself says that you will burn for it.
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When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
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Yes, the scripture teaches that no amount of feeding the hungry and giving drink to the thirsty and clothing the naked and visiting prisoners will save you without Jesus' sacrifice. Yes, the Scripture teaches submission to Christ in faith. But it also clearly and unambiguously teaches that the only true way is neither pure faith nor pure works, but faith that works. If you think that your faith is in Jesus Christ but that faith allows you to callously neglect, feel contempt for, or actively despise the poor and unfortunate, then yours is not a gospel of Jesus Christ, but of the Devil himself. If you allow that urge to neglect to influence you, if you show that contempt, if you actively spite the poor and unfortunate because that false gospel taught you that it was OK to do so, then Jesus Himself says that you will burn for it.
The Bible itself recording Jesus' words and the words of those who God used to construct it, are actually pretty simple.
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Anywzy. I get sidetracked easily so I hardly remember what I was writing about.
[Lots of stuff irrelevant to my question snipped.]
What I've been trying to get you to comment on is the attitudes that many Christian religious right wingers have toward poor people, and how those attitudes contradict the words of Jesus in the Bible.
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17 Dec 2023, 5:17 pm
Well at least we've found common ground between reactionary Christianity and the left - both really like purity testing!
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17 Dec 2023, 5:19 pm
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Well at least we've found common ground between reactionary Christianity and the left - both really like purity testing!
I'm not sure that's limited to only those blocs. Establishment centrists have their own purity tests and I'm sure we can find other blocs that the same observation can be made about.
17 Dec 2023, 5:20 pm
The Vatican controls most politics and religion world wide... including the middle east. They are the pagan priest class fronting as Christians.
17 Dec 2023, 5:20 pm
Fnord wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
Who Is In Charge Of The Church?
Hypocrites who enjoy virtue-signalling and exploiting the poor, the ignorant, and the lonely or insecure.Can I get an Amen!?
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17 Dec 2023, 5:23 pm
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TwilightPrincess wrote:
^^^ Catholicism did a lot for art, music, and literature.
All religion is equally (in)valid in my opinion. I see no problem with pagan practices. I don’t like the Church’s various abuses including (but not limited to) extensive child sexual abuse coverups, their views on LGBTQ+ issues, or the fact that they don’t allow female priests.
All religion is equally (in)valid in my opinion. I see no problem with pagan practices. I don’t like the Church’s various abuses including (but not limited to) extensive child sexual abuse coverups, their views on LGBTQ+ issues, or the fact that they don’t allow female priests.
Yeah, like castrate (castratos) little boys for their entertainment... and steal art during war and hide it in the Vatican archives...
This could also be said for evolution, atheism, and space worship. All religions created by secular society to control your world view and critical thinking.
Nothing Biblical about the Vatican or Catholic Church... they literally contradict it, the doctrine of the Nicolaitans found in Revelations calls them out.
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