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27 Jan 2024, 8:36 am

By the OP's reasoning, ALL "corrective" procedures should be both free and mandatory.

So if someone does not like my lack of hair, the government can force me to undergo surgical procedures to put hair on my head.

Or if someone thinks my nose is the wrong shape, the government can force me to undergo surgical procedures to change the shape of my nose.

That's taking some of the premises of Orwell's "1984" or Huxley's "Brave New World" a little too far.



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27 Jan 2024, 8:44 am

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Transphobia comes when these people are deliberately denied their purpose to medically transition and also being denied to change their legal gender that was assigned. Not just that, but transphobia is often present misgendering or deadnaming. However, cases of such common transphobia are primarily caused because the trans people haven't medically transitioned and haven't changed their legal gender. To do that does come with a price but under a socialist welfare state, this can be done without any financial askings and once the male soul liberates itself by medically transitioning and changing legal gender from female to male, then the liberation is complete and there is no more "woman" or "biological woman" but only a biological man with a soul that matches the body.

To hopefully eradicate transphobia and offer trans people an opportunity to become fully transitioned and no longer face discrimination, it would be a waste of time to wait and not be aware that trans people are people whose souls are looking to free themselves from the body that doesn't match with the soul and we cannot deny them the opportunity for a free medical transition and legal change of the gender.

The idea of the duality of a human being and any living being possessing a soul is often a religious theme but such existed in Ancient Greece, way long before Christianity, Islam, and even Judaism. The concept was first developed by Socrates (whose historical account is well-known thanks to Plato) and further developed by Plato. The philosophy of the duality of a human states that only the body is changeable but the soul is unchangeable. Trans people are an example of a clear will to change the body to adhere to the soul.

"No attempt should be made to cure the body without the soul" - Plato

What this quote means is that any living being possess a soul. For our human brain still remains unexplored, we can only stick to this belief that we have some form of immaterial essence within our brain that dictates on the way we should live and strive. However, humans are not just any other animal. They are the thinking animals! For the human mind also has the ability to think with reason and so, the reason why a woman wants to transition into a man is because she doesn't want to be misgendered for her biological appearance. The male soul is unchangeable and it can never be changed but a female body that the male soul possesses can be changed for the body is material and the soul isn't.

And so, to help a trans person is by offering them a chance to no longer be miserable. Full medical transition and change of legal gender and the gates of a new chapter in life open and will grant happiness to the soul which has finally found peace and harmony as it has completed a long and painful journey.

"As long as we possess the body, and our soul is contaminated by such an evil, we'll surely never adequately gain what we desire —and that, we say, is truth" - Plato

Not all trans people are lucky enough and sadly this is the case too. Transphobia can induce great pain that it can even touch the soul with negativity and ultimately corrupt it to the point where it loses all faith and trust in the humanity. If there is no solution to cure the soul of the depression or the soul is too damaged, then it must be euthanized as a final solution to helping the soul achieve peace and harmony in a better place where NO evil can do harm to it anymore. But to prevent such cases, we need to reduce transphobia and prevent depression from taking over by offering the damaged soul a chance to live once more. By early intervention, the crack will repair, and through medical transition and legal gender change, the soul will be liberated and will be happy again.

But then there are people who are gonna say that not all trans people want to transition. Then this question pops in. A trans person doesn't want to transition? Then what is the purpose of a woman who identifies as a man but doesn't want to transition? Simply, people aren't trans if they don't want to transition. There is more appropriate terminology to defining such anti-transition cases among self-proclaimed "trans" people. Tomboys are women who want to dress like men but don't want to medically transition into men. The opposite of a tomboy is a femboy, a man who likes being in female clothing but doesn't want to transition into a woman. Why aren't these people trans? It is because their souls aren't the same to what trans people have. A tomboy is mainly for the purpose of trying to integrate and relate more with the men but also attain a female body with female parts such as vagina, ovaries, big breasts, and such. A femboy's purpose is to integrate and relate more to the women but attain a full male body with male parts such as penis and testicles.

Tomboys and femboys don't really feel like they have souls that call in for the liberation. They just like dressing into the opposite gender but they will retain their actual bodies and they won't medically transition or change their legal gender. What that means is that a person who claims they're "trans" but doesn't medically transition, legally change gender, and simply wants to dress into the opposite gender only is not truly a "trans" person.

The moral lesson of the day is that it is better to help a trans person achieve liberation by allowing them to medically transition and legally change their gender and not be a transphobe who denies them the right to medically transition and legally change gender. Also, any self-proclaimed trans person who doesn't want to medically transition and legally change gender but only cross-dress can also inhibit transphobia by simply mocking actual transgender people. Think of a poor autistic person who has to deal with bullying because a bunch of jerks on the Internet self-diagnose themselves with autism and yet provide no factual information on autism. Those do it for views at the EXPENSE OF OTHERS!! TikTok only has 30% of valid information about autistic people while the rest is disinformation by influencers who want clout.

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[*] https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/109987 ... d-our-soul
[*] https://www.azquotes.com/author/37843-Plato/tag/soul
[*] https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/bl ... inaccurate


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27 Jan 2024, 8:46 am

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And what do I find?

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The majority of transgender women expressed interest in GAS. Bottom surgery in the form of vaginoplasty or vulvoplasty was highly desired, with 20% having had the surgery and an additional 67% wanting it. For top surgery, 9% had undergone breast enhancement and 52% more wanted it. While only 7% of transgender women had undergone facial feminizing surgery, an additional 67% expressed wanting it


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Among transgender men, the vast majority indicated they either had undergone top surgery (45%) or were interested in pursuing it (51%). In contrast, only 4% of transgender men had undergone bottom surgery, including phalloplasty or metoidioplasty, but an additional 50% expressing interest in undergoing the procedures. Overwhelmingly, transgender men expressed little interested in facial procedures (94%)


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Non-binary AFAB respondents had a high interest in top surgery (25% had it and 56% were interested in it). AFAB non-binary respondents indicated disinterest in bottom surgery at a higher frequency out of all four gender categories (71%). Similar to transgender men, nearly all non-binary AFAB respondents were disinterested in facial procedures (92%)


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As a group, non-binary AMAB respondents were less interested in GAS than transgender women. Similar to transgender women, the largest interest was in bottom surgery (14% of non-binary AMAB respondent had it and 50% wanted it in comparison with 20% of transgender women having already had bottom surgery and 67% desiring it). The frequency of facial procedures in this identity group was similar to transgender women (8% had it and 42% wanting it). Interestingly, there were no non-binary AMAB participants who had undergone top surgery, and only 30% expressed interest in having it


Judging by this, the least interested people are non-binary AMABs. Transgender women have the highest desire for GAS with transgender men placing second, and the non-binary AFABs placing third place. Judging by these percentages, I believe that a mandatory transition for groups with higher rates of interest in GAS, especially those who are being actively discriminated and persecuted can still help bring down the suicide rates very quickly.


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27 Jan 2024, 8:46 am

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It may but it would be too slow and painful.

funeralxempire wrote:
Why would that be? :scratch:

1. Because it will decrease suicide rates at a lower level.


Your answer is a non-sequitur.

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
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Ideally, the people who desire surgery should receive it before anyone who doesn't want it, no?

2. Ideally, yes. We cannot ignore the actual disabled people who really need it so we have to respect those priorities but still, everyone will have an opportunity for such.


The only people who need such an opportunity are people who desire it. For those who don't, it's not an opportunity.

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This is an attempt at emotional manipulation, nothing more.

3. That's what you are gonna deal with when having civil discussions and arguments with people. It's one of the tools to convincing people.


Emotional manipulation is a bad faith tactic and should be identified as such. If it's all you have, you have nothing.

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The problem is that you're not proposing a good plan of any sort. You're proposing a bad plan executed violently and hoping that no one will notice that it's not a good plan.

4. How is it a "bad plan"? We are talking about resolving a very serious situation. Maybe you have something to say but you already have and that is volunteer service when I cannot stand having to see a very slow decline in suicide rates. I want a drastic decrease in such because suicide is the last thing you want a poor man or woman to do to themselves.


How is it a bad plan? you ask, while failing to offer any solid argument that it's a good plan.

It's a waste of resources to force people who don't wish to undergo surgery to be forced to undergo surgery anyways.

Forced surgeries are a clear violation of patient's rights.

Nothing about making surgical transitions mandatory is better than making it so anyone who wants one can pursue one and so far you've offered poor reasons and non-sequiturs for why you think making them mandatory would be preferable.


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27 Jan 2024, 8:47 am

What_in_the_what_now wrote:
Yugoslav1945 wrote:
Transphobia comes when these people are deliberately denied their purpose to medically transition and also being denied to change their legal gender that was assigned. Not just that, but transphobia is often present misgendering or deadnaming. However, cases of such common transphobia are primarily caused because the trans people haven't medically transitioned and haven't changed their legal gender. To do that does come with a price but under a socialist welfare state, this can be done without any financial askings and once the male soul liberates itself by medically transitioning and changing legal gender from female to male, then the liberation is complete and there is no more "woman" or "biological woman" but only a biological man with a soul that matches the body.

To hopefully eradicate transphobia and offer trans people an opportunity to become fully transitioned and no longer face discrimination, it would be a waste of time to wait and not be aware that trans people are people whose souls are looking to free themselves from the body that doesn't match with the soul and we cannot deny them the opportunity for a free medical transition and legal change of the gender.

The idea of the duality of a human being and any living being possessing a soul is often a religious theme but such existed in Ancient Greece, way long before Christianity, Islam, and even Judaism. The concept was first developed by Socrates (whose historical account is well-known thanks to Plato) and further developed by Plato. The philosophy of the duality of a human states that only the body is changeable but the soul is unchangeable. Trans people are an example of a clear will to change the body to adhere to the soul.

"No attempt should be made to cure the body without the soul" - Plato

What this quote means is that any living being possess a soul. For our human brain still remains unexplored, we can only stick to this belief that we have some form of immaterial essence within our brain that dictates on the way we should live and strive. However, humans are not just any other animal. They are the thinking animals! For the human mind also has the ability to think with reason and so, the reason why a woman wants to transition into a man is because she doesn't want to be misgendered for her biological appearance. The male soul is unchangeable and it can never be changed but a female body that the male soul possesses can be changed for the body is material and the soul isn't.

And so, to help a trans person is by offering them a chance to no longer be miserable. Full medical transition and change of legal gender and the gates of a new chapter in life open and will grant happiness to the soul which has finally found peace and harmony as it has completed a long and painful journey.

"As long as we possess the body, and our soul is contaminated by such an evil, we'll surely never adequately gain what we desire —and that, we say, is truth" - Plato

Not all trans people are lucky enough and sadly this is the case too. Transphobia can induce great pain that it can even touch the soul with negativity and ultimately corrupt it to the point where it loses all faith and trust in the humanity. If there is no solution to cure the soul of the depression or the soul is too damaged, then it must be euthanized as a final solution to helping the soul achieve peace and harmony in a better place where NO evil can do harm to it anymore. But to prevent such cases, we need to reduce transphobia and prevent depression from taking over by offering the damaged soul a chance to live once more. By early intervention, the crack will repair, and through medical transition and legal gender change, the soul will be liberated and will be happy again.

But then there are people who are gonna say that not all trans people want to transition. Then this question pops in. A trans person doesn't want to transition? Then what is the purpose of a woman who identifies as a man but doesn't want to transition? Simply, people aren't trans if they don't want to transition. There is more appropriate terminology to defining such anti-transition cases among self-proclaimed "trans" people. Tomboys are women who want to dress like men but don't want to medically transition into men. The opposite of a tomboy is a femboy, a man who likes being in female clothing but doesn't want to transition into a woman. Why aren't these people trans? It is because their souls aren't the same to what trans people have. A tomboy is mainly for the purpose of trying to integrate and relate more with the men but also attain a female body with female parts such as vagina, ovaries, big breasts, and such. A femboy's purpose is to integrate and relate more to the women but attain a full male body with male parts such as penis and testicles.

Tomboys and femboys don't really feel like they have souls that call in for the liberation. They just like dressing into the opposite gender but they will retain their actual bodies and they won't medically transition or change their legal gender. What that means is that a person who claims they're "trans" but doesn't medically transition, legally change gender, and simply wants to dress into the opposite gender only is not truly a "trans" person.

The moral lesson of the day is that it is better to help a trans person achieve liberation by allowing them to medically transition and legally change their gender and not be a transphobe who denies them the right to medically transition and legally change gender. Also, any self-proclaimed trans person who doesn't want to medically transition and legally change gender but only cross-dress can also inhibit transphobia by simply mocking actual transgender people. Think of a poor autistic person who has to deal with bullying because a bunch of jerks on the Internet self-diagnose themselves with autism and yet provide no factual information on autism. Those do it for views at the EXPENSE OF OTHERS!! TikTok only has 30% of valid information about autistic people while the rest is disinformation by influencers who want clout.

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[*] https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/109987 ... d-our-soul
[*] https://www.azquotes.com/author/37843-Plato/tag/soul
[*] https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/bl ... inaccurate


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belijojo provides a good point as to why mandatory transition can benefit a trans person.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/resrep34992?searchText=&searchUri=&ab_segments=&searchKey=&refreqid=fastly-default%3A87943ac6393f03ca752375a08bc37960&seq=15

This is one of the good examples I consider when it comes to why transition for trans people should be mandatory.


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belijojo provides a good point as to why mandatory transition can benefit a trans person.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/resrep34992?searchText=&searchUri=&ab_segments=&searchKey=&refreqid=fastly-default%3A87943ac6393f03ca752375a08bc37960&seq=15

This is one of the good examples I consider when it comes to why transition for trans people should be mandatory.


No, that's really not a case for making it mandatory, only for ensuring access for everyone who wants it.

Mandatory means forcing people to have it even if they don't want it.


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Judging by these percentages, I believe that a mandatory transition for groups with higher rates of interest in GAS, especially those who are being actively discriminated and persecuted can still help bring down the suicide rates very quickly.

Not all trans but those who want surgery. If you can really distinguish between the two, I fully support you.


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27 Jan 2024, 8:54 am

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
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2. I still disagree that mandatory transition is too extreme. Firstly, you would not want an underaged person to go through that so it is for the best that adults who are trans have the priority. Children can wait for their turn once they turn 18. Secondly, a trans person has gender dysphoria which is why they are trans since they are questioning the validity of their current body that doesn't match with their soul. Lastly, trans people are often misgendered due to their body appearance and it is necessary and understandable that such pain cannot last long so it is mandatory that trans people go through medical transition and hormone replacement therapy.


None of that amounts to a justification for forcing people to receive surgery.

There's no case where forcing someone to receive surgery is reasonable.


There are nearly 50 million trans people around the world (about 0.6% of World Population), so it is not too late to help them get the treatment they need in order to improve their well-being and decrease suicide rates (in the US, more than 40% of trans adults have attempted suicide). We still have time!

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https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/transpop-suicide-press-release/


Your sources are very poor. Do you only read headlines? Having coexisting issues isnt causation?



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27 Jan 2024, 8:56 am

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To Yugoslav1945: It has occurred to me to wonder if there might be a misunderstanding in this thread due to a language barrier.

What is your understanding of what the word "mandatory" means in this context?

The idea of transitions being "mandatory" just doesn't make sense.


I believe that mandatory is something that should be required. I believe that in order to decrease suicide rates, especially in the US when it comes to trans people, we should offer them a light at the end of the tunnel of darkness. By giving free treatment for medical transition as well as surgeries without any fees to be paid, we can decrease suicide rates, decrease transphobia placed upon them because of their body, and overall improve their mental well-being.


Suicide rates? Or self reported suicidal thoughts through a very specific website? You seem to have concluded a huge epidemic of suicidality in the US for trans people from a blog post.



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27 Jan 2024, 8:58 am

funeralxempire wrote:
Yugoslav1945 wrote:

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It may but it would be too slow and painful.

funeralxempire wrote:
Why would that be? :scratch:

1. Because it will decrease suicide rates at a lower level.


Your answer is a non-sequitur.

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Ideally, the people who desire surgery should receive it before anyone who doesn't want it, no?

2. Ideally, yes. We cannot ignore the actual disabled people who really need it so we have to respect those priorities but still, everyone will have an opportunity for such.


The only people who need such an opportunity are people who desire it. For those who don't, it's not an opportunity.

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
This is an attempt at emotional manipulation, nothing more.

3. That's what you are gonna deal with when having civil discussions and arguments with people. It's one of the tools to convincing people.


Emotional manipulation is a bad faith tactic and should be identified as such. If it's all you have, you have nothing.

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funeralxempire wrote:
The problem is that you're not proposing a good plan of any sort. You're proposing a bad plan executed violently and hoping that no one will notice that it's not a good plan.

4. How is it a "bad plan"? We are talking about resolving a very serious situation. Maybe you have something to say but you already have and that is volunteer service when I cannot stand having to see a very slow decline in suicide rates. I want a drastic decrease in such because suicide is the last thing you want a poor man or woman to do to themselves.


How is it a bad plan? you ask, while failing to offer any solid argument that it's a good plan.

It's a waste of resources to force people who don't wish to undergo surgery to be forced to undergo surgery anyways.

Forced surgeries are a clear violation of patient's rights.

Nothing about making surgical transitions mandatory is better than making it so anyone who wants one can pursue one and so far you've offered poor reasons and non-sequiturs for why you think making them mandatory would be preferable.


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Your answer is a non-sequitur.


1. But you don't get to have a lot of trans people transitioning if it is voluntary service. Think of a conscription. Countries usually have voluntary or mandatory service in the army but in dire times when a war is raging against them, they will force mobilizations of men because they want to protect themselves against the invaders and attack them. Ukraine was able to field defense to counter the Russian advance to Kyiv with help from the West.

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The only people who need such an opportunity are people who desire it. For those who don't, it's not an opportunity.


2. The definition of transgender is that it "is a broad term that can be used to describe people whose gender identity is different from the gender they were thought to be when they were born." (https://transequality.org/issues/resources/understanding-transgender-people-the-basics). It would be depressing for a trans person to not have any faith in their transgender if they don't think they want to transition because they would be forever stuck to the morbid reality of transphobia. Why refuse them the opportunity if their goal is to no longer be discriminated by ultimately changing their body appearance from the current gender to the gender they want to be.

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It's a waste of resources to force people who don't wish to undergo surgery to be forced to undergo surgery anyways.


3. That's like saying that it is a waste of resources to give people food and clean water. I don't know about you but a trans person's main purpose is to get rid of their unwanted body that is causing them emotional pain and they need to complete their transition journey in order to achieve peace and harmony as it was stated in the 2015 study where people who transitioned reported lower rates of suicidal feelings while people who detransitioned had higher rates of suicidal feelings. No one is being "forced against their will". They WANT freedom and acceptance!


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What_in_the_what_now wrote:
Yugoslav1945 wrote:
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Yugoslav1945 wrote:
2. I still disagree that mandatory transition is too extreme. Firstly, you would not want an underaged person to go through that so it is for the best that adults who are trans have the priority. Children can wait for their turn once they turn 18. Secondly, a trans person has gender dysphoria which is why they are trans since they are questioning the validity of their current body that doesn't match with their soul. Lastly, trans people are often misgendered due to their body appearance and it is necessary and understandable that such pain cannot last long so it is mandatory that trans people go through medical transition and hormone replacement therapy.


None of that amounts to a justification for forcing people to receive surgery.

There's no case where forcing someone to receive surgery is reasonable.


There are nearly 50 million trans people around the world (about 0.6% of World Population), so it is not too late to help them get the treatment they need in order to improve their well-being and decrease suicide rates (in the US, more than 40% of trans adults have attempted suicide). We still have time!

Source

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/transpop-suicide-press-release/


Your sources are very poor. Do you only read headlines? Having coexisting issues isnt causation?

I'm sure he watches the whole video, beginning to end.


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What_in_the_what_now wrote:
Yugoslav1945 wrote:
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To Yugoslav1945: It has occurred to me to wonder if there might be a misunderstanding in this thread due to a language barrier.

What is your understanding of what the word "mandatory" means in this context?

The idea of transitions being "mandatory" just doesn't make sense.


I believe that mandatory is something that should be required. I believe that in order to decrease suicide rates, especially in the US when it comes to trans people, we should offer them a light at the end of the tunnel of darkness. By giving free treatment for medical transition as well as surgeries without any fees to be paid, we can decrease suicide rates, decrease transphobia placed upon them because of their body, and overall improve their mental well-being.


Suicide rates? Or self reported suicidal thoughts through a very specific website? You seem to have concluded a huge epidemic of suicidality in the US for trans people from a blog post.


You can't possibly assume that suicide isn't a major issue among the trans population. Transphobia still persists and there is hostility prevalent, especially in the US political south of the states that were part of the Confederacy. Where do you get your information even?!


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By the OP's reasoning, ALL "corrective" procedures should be both free and mandatory.

So if someone does not like my lack of hair, the government can force me to undergo surgical procedures to put hair on my head.

Or if someone thinks my nose is the wrong shape, the government can force me to undergo surgical procedures to change the shape of my nose.

That's taking some of the premises of Orwell's "1984" or Huxley's "Brave New World" a little too far.


This is a little bit overexaggerating. Trans people are being discriminated a lot and they cannot uphold it anymore. We cannot let them just have euthanasia. We need to keep them living! That is why we need to take emergency action and push for mandatory transition to stop a global crisis strike the LGBT community.


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1. But you don't get to have a lot of trans people transitioning if it is voluntary service. Think of a conscription. Countries usually have voluntary or mandatory service in the army but in dire times when a war is raging against them, they will force mobilizations of men because they want to protect themselves against the invaders and attack them. Ukraine was able to field defense to counter the Russian advance to Kyiv with help from the West.


The problem is difficulty accessing care, not that people aren't being adequately forced to pursue care.

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The only people who need such an opportunity are people who desire it. For those who don't, it's not an opportunity.


2. The definition of transgender is that it "is a broad term that can be used to describe people whose gender identity is different from the gender they were thought to be when they were born." (https://transequality.org/issues/resources/understanding-transgender-people-the-basics). It would be depressing for a trans person to not have any faith in their transgender if they don't think they want to transition because they would be forever stuck to the morbid reality of transphobia. Why refuse them the opportunity if their goal is to no longer be discriminated by ultimately changing their body appearance from the current gender to the gender they want to be.


If someone doesn't wish to undergo a surgery, that by itself is a good enough reason to respect their preference.

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
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It's a waste of resources to force people who don't wish to undergo surgery to be forced to undergo surgery anyways.


3. That's like saying that it is a waste of resources to give people food and clean water. I don't know about you but a trans person's main purpose is to get rid of their unwanted body that is causing them emotional pain and they need to complete their transition journey in order to achieve peace and harmony as it was stated in the 2015 study where people who transitioned reported lower rates of suicidal feelings while people who detransitioned had higher rates of suicidal feelings. No one is being "forced against their will". They WANT freedom and acceptance!


You're literally saying it should be mandatory. By definition mandatory means that people will be forced, even against their will.

If you're opposed to forcing people to undergo such procedures against their will you're by definition not in favour of making such procedures mandatory. One minute you're comparing your plan with conscription, the next you're insisting you're not in favour of forcing people. Make up your mind.


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27 Jan 2024, 9:05 am

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By the OP's reasoning, ALL "corrective" procedures should be both free and mandatory.

So if someone does not like my lack of hair, the government can force me to undergo surgical procedures to put hair on my head.

Or if someone thinks my nose is the wrong shape, the government can force me to undergo surgical procedures to change the shape of my nose.

That's taking some of the premises of Orwell's "1984" or Huxley's "Brave New World" a little too far.


This is a little bit overexaggerating. Trans people are being discriminated a lot and they cannot uphold it anymore. We cannot let them just have euthanasia. We need to keep them living! That is why we need to take emergency action and push for mandatory transition to stop a global crisis strike the LGBT community.

Painting them white is not a good way to eradicate racial discrimination


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27 Jan 2024, 9:06 am

Fnord wrote:
By the OP's reasoning, ALL "corrective" procedures should be both free and mandatory.

So if someone does not like my lack of hair, the government can force me to undergo surgical procedures to put hair on my head.

Or if someone thinks my nose is the wrong shape, the government can force me to undergo surgical procedures to change the shape of my nose.

That's taking some of the premises of Orwell's "1984" or Huxley's "Brave New World" a little too far.

I don't think the OP's way of thinking is unusual for an autistic 18-year old. I can see myself saying equivalent things at his age. It's a way to prove how zealously he supports his personal causes. I just hope people understand how somebody my age can have progressed from being that way as a youngster to being the cynical old man I am today. Which is why there may be some people who would have easily obtained an autism diagnosis when they were young (whether or not they would have wanted one) but might not be diagnosable today.


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