The American Dream Is Dead

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Yeah, I know it doesn't belong here but ... it does if the topic is freedom and opportunity.

I wasn't complaining at you by the way, just at the BS propanganda.

At least they acknowledge it's dead.

The American Dream cannot die, it can only be subverted by special interests -- The Patriarchy, Wokeness, Socialism, MAGA/QAnon/Trumpism, Religious Fundamentalism, et cetera.  The American Dream can still be achieved, but it takes a much more savvy mindset than it did 60-70 years ago.

The American Dream has always been a dream, a fantasy. It's a cope Americans use to convince themselves things are working just fine regardless of the reality that there's other nations with better social mobility.

You might as well talk about the AMWAY dream. In terms of people it works for vs. people who it doesn't work for the rates should be comparable; sadly there's still people falling for both scams.

If the Constitution only applies to some citizens, I'd say the Dream is dead for everyone.

The Constitution applies to every American citizen, and to most foreign nationals on American soil.

If the American Dream has died within you, then there is not much anyone else can do to resurrect it within you.

I and others still believe in the American Dream (as I defined it previously).

The only way the American Dream can die is if it is redefined so much as to make it impossible to live, which is what the doomsayers within those special interest groups I previously mentioned keep trying to do.  They do not do my thinking for me.

Don't let them do your thinking for you.

When you think of how many people the Constitution didn't apply to at the time of it's writing it begs the question, wouldn't it need to possess life first in order to die?

Maybe it's stillborn? Which means God aborted it. Which sure sounds like God trying to put abortion in the Constitution.

Let Fnord do your thinking for you, don't question his logic even if it's flawed, underinformed, misinformed, disinformed or otherwise questionable.

Because anything else is letting someone else do your thinking for you. It's not like anyone could have authentic disagreements with someone's perspective.

No.  I mean you should do your own thinking for yourself.

I seem to be one of the few people engaging in independent thought, because when I ask some people for their opinions, what I get instead is some trite meme or YouTube video link.

Or, in cases like yours, what I get is a fictitious claim regarding my own thought processes -- they lie about me.

Wait, what?

Female babies have a different set of rights from the day they're born.
They don't own their bodies and thus they aren't persons.

Females are about half of the population.

Where is the liberty and pursuit of happiness in that?

Gender even supersedes race or ability.

It’s probably easier to believe in the American Dream if one was able to achieve success. For others, it sounds like little more than empty, political propaganda.

It sure seems like a consistent kneejerk reaction where you assume people aren't thinking for themselves when they express opinions you don't agree with.

Combine that with always insisting you're one of the few who demonstrates independent though (even while just repeating propaganda) makes me doubt if you'd be capable of recognizing independent thought when shown it.

If someone posts a YouTube link it can't be that they're trying to avoid writing an essay that covers essentially the same ground, it must because they lack the capability for independent thought and therefore deserve to be insulted and dismissed rather than engaged with.

Why should I be expected to consider new or different perspectives when I can just insult people and dismiss them as not thinking for themselves because I don't appreciate their source?

Clearly this is behaviour that should ensure I'm well respected and not ever dismissed out of hand, no matter how uninformed my perspective might appear to others. Now excuse me, I was telling these broads about what it's like to be a lady in America, hopefully they've stopped yapping about women's rights being rolled back so I can tell 'em how free they'd be if they weren't dames.

Ask the Patriarchy -- the conservative white males (and their supporters) who "interpret" the Constitution to maintain their dominance over women and non-whites.

The American government is not one, huge monolithic bloc.  It is instead a multi-branch, multi-level, multi-interest organic growth that is constantly at war with itself over who should be allowed to exploit whom.

It's not the patriarchy. There are women in SCOTUS.

We'll know their loyalties by how they vote regarding Trump.

Trump goes free?  Patriarchy and/or its enablers

Trump convicted?  Not the Patriarchy


Believe it or not, there are people among the oppressed who enable and support their oppressors -- there are women who support the Patriarchy.

I know it and believe it. Hence, my criticism of freedom and opportunity in US systems and law.

Prior to the pill women weren't equal either.

I'm not sure which small window of time they actually were.

Get the dictatorial men to stop curtailing women's rights (and the rights of minorities), and most of the battle will be won.

The American Dream is still alive, but it has been subverted by special interest groups -- like the HAL 9000 computer was subverted in "2001: A Space Odyssey".  The computer was rendered ineffective because it was unable to resolve a conflict between his general mission to relay information accurately, and orders specific to the mission requiring that he withhold from Bowman and Poole the true purpose of the mission.

The American Dream has been rendered ineffective (for many people) because special interests have applied their own agendas to the concept, subverting the means to achieve the American Dream for their own purposes.

I have made it work for me, but it involved a bankruptcy, a "quit-claim" on a mortgage, six years of military service, and the complete reconstruction of my work and credit histories to match reality.

It sucked to be at the mercy of people who did my thinking for me, but now I know better.