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06 Sep 2007, 12:55 pm

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Errrrr, never mind, then! :oops:

Antisemitism sets my brain on fire. I missed it. Sorry. I do wish people wouldn't joke about it, though.


This is not anti Shemitism, nor racism, nor any type of ism. If I said I thought the antichrist were Italian would that be anti Romanticism?


No other people are quite as blatantly hated as the Jews. The word Jew is like an expletive to lots of people. Usually any reference to Jews by non jews smacks of antisemitism.


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06 Sep 2007, 1:05 pm

What the roman catholic church did to defile Christianity should not remain a stain on the Church, yes a lot of "christians" are racist against God's Chosen People, but I am not and I would ask you the same as I'd ask any member of the KKK, ACLU, or any other bigotous group to judge people on an individual basis.

BTW what is Iraq's part in the end times?



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06 Sep 2007, 4:12 pm

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Yes, very likely the writings were refering to, either to him personally or the roman empire itself.


First of all,no one called Emperor Nero "Nero" but Lucius,which was his real name.
"Nero" was his nickname,and was only used tied to his original name Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus by writer Suetonus,that lived during the reign of Trajan.
And even in his work most often was used name Lucius.


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This is 666 spelled out in Hebrew:
שׁשּׁה שׁשּׁים מאיה שׁשׁ
Revelation 13:17-18 KJV


But revelation was originally written in ancient Greek,not Hebrew.After all St.John had revelation on Greek island of Patmos.
Greek language was 'lingua franca' of Roman empire,and was official language in eastern parts of it.
It was widely used then,like English is today.

Jews at the time of Jesus spoke Aramaic,not Hebrew.And there were a lot of Greeks in the region of middle east back then.

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I am Merovignian.


I believe that you made a reference on 'Da Vinci Code'.... :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merovingian
Merovingians,off course have nothing to do with Jesus or 'holy blood',since Merovingians were Germanic pagan Francs that came into Gaul (France) from North Germany and Holland in 5 century.
Names of Merovingian kings are clearly of Germanic origins as well.

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My theologian friend thinks the antichrist will be of Roman/Italian descent, and quite possibly a pope.

Think about it: the papacy has slowly given the pope more godlikeness over the centuries, with such added attributes as infallibility, "Holy Father", the one who claims to offer salvation in partnership with Christ, functioning as the "Vicar of Christ", basically God on Earth.


Thats impossible.
First of all,no one really believe in Catholicism any more.Pope has less influence then most of rock musicians.
Second,Catholics are just one branch of Christianity,and Pope has no influence or other Christians,not to mention other religions.


Now we must think logically in here...
Antichrist is opposite of Christ.Therefore his birth,life and nation would be opposite of life of Christ.

1.Christ was born as part of persecuted and powerless nation.
Antichrist would be born in most powerful nation on earth.And we all know who that is... :wink:

2.Christ was born in the cave,and in poverty.
Antichrist will be born in palace and wealth.

3.Christ birth was only known to selected few.
Antichrist birth would be known to all humanity.

4.Family of Christ were humble and poor people.
Family of Antichrist would be rich celebrities.

5.Christ was born in Jewish nation.
Antichrist would be born in nation that represents entire humanity,or nation that is all nations.
A nation that is actually a mixture of nations (Babylon).

6.Christ was born in year zero A.D.
Antichrist have to be born on 'round date'...1.000,2.000 or something similar.
Most probably on Christmas or Easter.

7.Jesus start his preachings at the age of 31.
Same thing will happen to Antichrist.


Now...

Due to modern technology,for the fist time humanity is connected,and thanks to media everything is available.
For the first time in history mankind can destroy entire planet.

Before the rise of Antichrist,we shall be witnesses of rise of 'Whore Of Babylon'.
That whore will be a 'city' that is center of commerce,trade,music and pornography.

Now this is image of Whore Of Babylon:

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Compare it to this:

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http://www.babylonvillage.com/

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Babylon Village Internet Service, Serving Babylon Village - Long Island, NY 11702


This is from revelation:

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And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" (verse 5).


And this is from the song "The New Colossus" by Emma Lazarus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Colossus

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"The New Colossus" is a sonnet by Emma Lazarus (1849-1887), written in 1883 and, in 1903, engraved on a bronze plaque and mounted inside the Statue of Liberty.


Song:
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....A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles
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...Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"


This is interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer

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Lucifer is a Latin word meaning "light-bearer" (from lux, lucis, "light", and ferre, "to bear, bring"), a Roman astrological term for the "Morning Star", the planet Venus. The word Lucifer was the direct translation of the Septuagint Greek heosphoros, ("dawn-bearer"); (cf. Greek phosphoros, "light-bearer") and the Hebrew Helel, ("Bright one") used by Jerome in the Vulgate, having mythologically the same meaning as Prometheus who brought fire to humanity.


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06 Sep 2007, 4:21 pm

P.S

Revelation 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_pluribus_unum

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"E Pluribus Unum" was, for most of its history, the motto of the United States government.


Quote:
Translated from Latin, it most closely means "Out of many, (is) One." or "From many, (comes) One.


Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations

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Headquarters International territory in Manhattan, New York City


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06 Sep 2007, 4:30 pm

Witt wrote:
Now we must think logically in here...
Antichrist is opposite of Christ.Therefore his birth,life and nation would be opposite of life of Christ.


You're arguing from the prefix "anti" meaning "opposite", very interesting ground... :lol:

Witt wrote:
1.Christ was born as part of persecuted and powerless nation.
Antichrist would be born in most powerful nation on earth.And we all know who that is... :wink:


In what time period? If you go by that logic it could be Egypt, Asyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, Spain, France, England, Russia, America, China... ETC.

Witt wrote:
2.Christ was born in the cave,and in poverty.
Antichrist will be born in palace and wealth.


He was born in Bethlehem because of the Roman dictate and his stepfather was a carpenter, does this mean the oppoChrist's father will be a plumber?

Witt wrote:
3.Christ birth was only known to selected few.
Antichrist birth would be known to all humanity.


Yeah. :roll: Probably broadcast on international TV as the birth of the genetically perfect individual... :roll:

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4.Family of Christ were humble and poor people.
Family of Antichrist would be rich celebrities.


Jesus family were direct descendants of King David, they weren't super rich but they weren't proverty stricken either.

Witt wrote:
5.Christ was born in Jewish nation.
Antichrist would be born in nation that represents entire humanity,or nation that is all nations.
A nation that is actually a mixture of nations (Babylon).


Maybe England or India, or wait maybe Antarctica!

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6.Christ was born in year zero A.D.
Antichrist have to be born on 'round date'...1.000,2.000 or something similar.
Most probably on Christmas or Easter.


No he wasn't, 3-7 B.C. and there isn't a year zero anyway.

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7.Jesus start his preachings at the age of 31.
Same thing will happen to Antichrist.


REALLY? :?:

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06 Sep 2007, 4:41 pm

Well my personal interpretation is that the Vatican is fulfilling all these biblical prophecies to string people along...... But the "antichrist" as described in the bible, would be at least partially jewish, and I think will most likely be italian or mediterranian. Of coarse I have little to base anything on but him being partly jewish (it stated in the bible that the anti-christ would have some jewish decent).
I tend to think that the pope is the "false prophet" and he'll introduce the "antichrist" when the time comes.... Chances are he's living somewhere in Europe right now, he has a lot of political power but he's been hidden from the masses, and most people have no clue of who he is. He's likely a very rich man.



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06 Sep 2007, 4:48 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
You're arguing from the prefix "anti" meaning "opposite", very interesting ground...


Yes,I don't see any other ground besides that.
At least from that ground we can deduce some things.

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
In what time period? If you go by that logic it could be Egypt, Asyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, Spain, France, England, Russia, America, China... ETC.


Since apocalypse didn't happened yet,I'm talking about future,or near future.
Only remaining superpower is you-know-who,and that superpower also influence entire globe due to media,music,military and all out presence.

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He was born in Bethlehem because of the Roman dictate and his stepfather was a carpenter, does this mean the oppoChrist's father will be a plumber?


Christ's father was not a carpenter,since according to Christianity his father was God.
Joseph was only his 'father' because he was married to Mary.

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Yeah. Probably broadcast on international TV as the birth of the genetically perfect individual...


No.But his birth will be known in media,since he would had famous mother.

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Jesus family were direct descendants of King David, they weren't super rich but they weren't proverty stricken either.


They were descendants of house of David,but they were not rich,but quite poor.

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Maybe England or India, or wait maybe Antarctica!


England and India are all based on national traditions,and Antarctica is not populated,nor it is a state.American nation is fusion of all world's nations into one.
England and India are not even able to control or influence the world.

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
No he wasn't, 3-7 B.C. and there isn't a year zero anyway.


'New era' started with the birth of Christ,and that is year zero of Christian calendar.
3-7 B.C is based on speculations of some scientists.But I'm talking about traditional Christian perspective.


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06 Sep 2007, 4:55 pm

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I tend to think that the pope is the "false prophet" and he'll introduce the "antichrist" when the time comes....


You are just quoting Martin Luther... :wink:

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Chances are he's living somewhere in Europe right now, he has a lot of political power but he's been hidden from the masses, and most people have no clue of who he is.


Antichrist must be born in state that represents entire humanity in miniature.States of Europe are all nation states.
But nation of Antichrist must be fusion of all nations,not just of Europe,but the entire world as well (if there is such thing as Antichrist,in the first place).


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06 Sep 2007, 5:57 pm

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Think about it: the papacy has slowly given the pope more godlikeness over the centuries, with such added attributes as infallibility...


Ragtime, you know I love ya... but... when you talk about the Catholic Church, your "facts" make me want to beat my head on the wall. You don't show any sign of knowing what infallibility means in the ecclesiastical sense of the word. If you're going to be obsessed about a subject, you should study it better. :x :x :x

EP... half this thread is totally kidding. Are you kidding, too?


I've got a prime source for my information on the Catholic Church, namely my best friend, who is currently writing a book on that very system, having been raised a Catholic, lost his faith in the Cath. Church because it was so empty and dead, drifted as a bitter atheist, and then found his proper faith in Jesus Christ. Since then, he's earned a doctorate in philosophy, and studied Church history thoroughly.

I realize that the pope is only "infallible" when he declares "ex cathedra", which he rarely does. My point stands that he is clearly meant to be honored by his subjects to the point of worship. Reverence becomes worship when it is taken to extremes.

And, double-speak is so well utilized by the Cath. Church, that it's easy to say that any claim about the Church is false, because something contrary has likely been uttered in their official teachings. They routinely speak out of both sides of their mouths, which makes dodging doctrinal accusations fairly easy for them.



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06 Sep 2007, 6:58 pm

I suppose most of pretestant sects believe that the pope is the antichrist for his position and because of the "worship" to him, which I suppose it contradicts Jesus' teachings, Jesus' life wasn't that glamorouse as the pope's life is right now, then that clearly comes from the roman paganism influence into christianity after constantine adopted it. So the interpretation of who might be the beast is easier to relate to the pope, however, at the time it was written there was no pope, and catholicism didn't exist, very likely it was aimed to the roman empire.


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06 Sep 2007, 11:56 pm

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I tend to think that the pope is the "false prophet" and he'll introduce the "antichrist" when the time comes....


You are just quoting Martin Luther... :wink:

snake321 wrote:
Chances are he's living somewhere in Europe right now, he has a lot of political power but he's been hidden from the masses, and most people have no clue of who he is.


Antichrist must be born in state that represents entire humanity in miniature.States of Europe are all nation states.
But nation of Antichrist must be fusion of all nations,not just of Europe,but the entire world as well (if there is such thing as Antichrist,in the first place).


The United Nations, they'll all come together and sell their national sovereignties over to the UN, it'll become one giant super nation. Think about it, North American Union, European Union.



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07 Sep 2007, 12:02 am

f**k, the antiChrist?



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07 Sep 2007, 12:18 am

Isn't he the antichrist?

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07 Sep 2007, 12:43 am

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Isn't he the antichrist?

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Could be, but I doubt it. Who likes him?

*Sends Psittacorian special forces team to hijack Air Force One and abduct the President*



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07 Sep 2007, 10:35 am

i thought you werent supose to worry about the end times. besides doesnt the church get raptured outta here before any of that hellish stuff happens


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07 Sep 2007, 12:34 pm

Many views on that, but I would say, "no".