Jihad is it right or wrong?

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Depends on which group are in the majority.. the moderate ones who are happy to live and let live, or the raging homocidal grow a beard or be killed type.

Dont get me wrong.. I'll be quite happy to fight against a muslim government here, moderate or otherwsie, but I'm also aware that most of these people are simply people, like anyone else, who have life, loves, and hang out the washing.

Humans in general are not a good example of anything good or peaceloving.

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As individuals, humans are often wonderful generous loving individuals, full of great ideas and concepts, who just want to get on with living in the best way they can.

In groups, they turn into twats.

Iamnotaparakeet, what is the point you are trying to make with this thread? That islam is evil or all muslims are evil?

Anyway, I don't know much about it, but I do know, Jihad doesn't have the same meaning to all muslims, it seems to me that it works as christianity does, in christianity there are lots of sects with different interpretations of the same book, so what it is "truth" for one denomination it isn't for another. So the same thing appears to work for islam, not all of them may have the same interpretation of the same texts.

In my view, those ideas from terrorists come from extremist fundamentalists that probably use religion to manipulate people and train them for that, brainwashing.

I believe there have been christian sects that have manipulated and brainwashed people to believe and do wrong things and promote hate (e.g. Neonazis).

That's for you my friend:

You have a point there.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zt45DfqY9E[/youtube]

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I think perhaps the difference is that most of that s**t happened quite some time ago, and that christianity is mostly quite reasonable now. Jihad is occuring NOW, and is a potent modern force. All that other christian naughtiness is merely what led up to now, and a guide to how truly ret*d religion can be when its pissed off.
Lessons should be learned from that, methinks.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVXJaqcoC7k[/youtube]

Thank you. The rest is chin music.

Really annoying music without good purpose at that.

LOL, if you are going to insult me rather than answer my arguments, at least use an insult that I understand, chin music? come on why not just call me a w*ker and be done with it....
peace j

I am not referring to you specifically.


How many people have actually bothered to watch the videos?

Where does it say that. Searching on “Innocent” returns on 2 results. The first reference in “The Women” gives no guidance on what the Koran regards as an innocent. In the latter, a boy whose parents are “believers”, i.e. Moslems, is slain. Other than noting the innocent is a Moslem, there is little guidance as to who is innocent.

The Women
[4.112] And whoever commits a fault or a sin, then accuses of it one innocent, he indeed takes upon himself the burden of a calumny and a manifest sin.

The Cave
[18.74] So they went on until, when they met a boy, he slew him. (Musa) said: Have you slain an innocent person otherwise than for manslaughter? Certainly you have done an evil thing.
[18.80] And as for the boy, his parents were believers and we feared lest he should make disobedience and ingratitude to come upon them:
[18.81] So we desired that their Lord might give them in his place one better than him in purity and nearer to having compassion.

Reading what the Koran regards as guilty gives more indication of who the Koran regards as innocent. If you are not innocent, you are guilty. Searching for “Guilty” returns 64 matches.

It is a clear and recurring theme that the “guilty” are those who reject Islam or act contrary to the prescriptions of the Koran .

Those who reject Islam are guilty, and are therefore not innocent

Fear of the immigrants, eh?

Well, if they are like Baptists and the Al Qaeda and don't believe in a secular government, then they will use the police power of the state to outlaw the sale of alcohol not only on Sunday, but on everyday. On the other hand, if they are like Muslims in Egypt or Lebanon, they will not only allow the sale of alcohol, they will also allow you to practice Christianity. So you better be good, for goodness sakes! Cause Muslim-Claus is coming to town!

Get a grip, man. How many western country's have been over-run by Islam in the last five hundred years? How many Islamic countries have been over-run, invaded, or otherwise dominated by 'Christian' countries in the last 50 years? Can't you see that the real demographic threat to wh***y is from Latin America? That's who you should be afraid of ....

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As much as I don't like people disregarding our laws and jumping the fence, most of them are Christian. I have no reason to fear them.

A few weeks ago, I listened to some CDs by Carlos Mencia. Now I don't agree with everything he says, but I do agree that we shouldn't be blaming the Mexicans for US social ills.

Life must suck in their own country if they think working for just above starvation wages in another country is somehow better.

I agree, not ALL social ills are cause by them and yes, even from what they have told me, their countries do suck. They are but a minor problem compared to the worldwide Jihad going on now.