The War in Iraq...

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lol

i agree.

but then, if you don't try, you KNOW you ain't going to have an effect.

This war reminds me of the war between protestants and catholics in the tudor times.

Both sides believe they're right, this especially applies to the terrorists because their using their god as an excuse to kill innocent people.

Allah teaches peace so he'd never sanction this.

But I still think it was wrong to invade like that, I mean think of all the innocents killed.

Katze, I know us debating over this is unlikely to save the world or anything but it is better to dabate than to close our minds and not say what we think about things. What is wrong about thinking and discussing things? In WW2 people werent keeping their eye on the ball enough with Hitler and co and it was only after the war that everyone knew the full extent of what went on.[/quote]

Transposing this to todays situation, given the fact that a great many people do know what is going on in Iraq (or at least they think they do), what are they doing about it? What are you and me doing about it? Do you really think that if people during WWII had known what was going on, and a great many did, anything would or could have been done?. What would you have done? Some people tried and lost their Heads, such as a group of Generals and young idealistic people with a big heart such as the group called 'The White Rose'. My guess is that they too debated for a while and then decided to act and lost their lives because of it. There is nothing wrong in thinking about or discussing things, but if it doesn't touch life....

I tell you that there were plenty of Debates going on in Peoples homes and Government Offices about the 'German situation', and 'how terrible it was what was happening to the Jews'. My mother and Grandparents were taken to the Gestapo HQ at gunpoint for questioning because they had helped their Neighbouring Jewish Families, thankfully they were let off again.

I am curious for you to tell me why it is 'better to debate things than to close our minds' and how the end result would be different

It doesn't mean that you should stop debating or discussing, or to have a lively and questioning mind, exchange ideas. Does that inspire you, give you hope, determination? If so then all is well, and as Joseph Campbell said:'Follow your Bliss!'


I am not trying to save the world. Right now my concern is that my Computer is running like a Pig and that I need a Memory upgrade and a new Video card so that I can play Halflife 2 but I haven't got the money.


Katze




'Knowledge Kills Action, Action requires the Veil of Illusion ' Nietzsche

When i was younger i was thinking about politics and planning on making a difference..


'Ahhh... but I was so much older then.... I'm younger than that now'. Bob Dylan

Don't you think that the whole issue about Israel-Palestine and to some extent Iraq is about a 'balance of Power', an attitude that belongs in the 18th Century and has no place in this new century? And that what is missing in both Scenarios is a common denominator to bring some kind of mutual agreement and understanding?


(Are you trying to tell me that G.W Bush has People skills?).........he...he..he

Katze

LOL

make it BIG knowledge, then

and make it knowledge you've found out for yourself, rather than stuff which is fed to you.

With Iraq, I get the feeling Americans are not experts in foreign policy

I don't have an expertise in politics, but I do know that the media can't know everything that's going on. I mean, if the CIA or the government gave out all of its plans to protect our nation, then all the terrorists have to do is turn on the t.v. or the radio, and then they have their plan, practically served out to them. It's a whole lot better than having the war over here; if the war was over here, then many more people will be getting killed. I don't see why people have to be complaining about everything that Bush does; it's a heck of a lot better than what some presidents in the past did, like Clinton selling information to the Chinese, stealing stuff out of the White House, almost getting impeached... As a president one has to think of their beliefs, what is politically correct, and the future. Lots of the times, with the government holding information from the media, we don't know what the future holds, and the President must think of the future. Being the President is an extremely hard job because you have to look at all aspects of the world and make decisions based on the information that you have, and some is hidden from our eyes; there may be other parts of the story that doesn't make sense, but in the future they could make lots of sense. Of course everybody's political view is different, and everyone has to accept people's beliefs. I think that Bush has done a good job at taking action, or else we still would have been looking at the t.v. screen and watching to Twin Towers be blown to bits.