Oh boy, does the USA need a major overhaul!!

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16 Nov 2007, 8:25 pm

snake321 wrote:

Personally, I do think we should help Mexico out, but not by letting them live here illegally and off record. That hurts us. The best way to stop illegal immigration is stop the incentive, help Mexico to become a more influential and prosperous nation.

Making Mexico an influential and prosperous nation is a very good thing and something that I have been advocating for years. The only problem is what does one do with the corrupt Mexican government, which expoits its people, forcing them to move north? I have yet to divine a solution for this problem.

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16 Nov 2007, 8:40 pm

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Also, I failed to see AG's logic that an anti-illegal immigration stance can't be non-race related.... The bottom line factor there has nothing at all to do with their race. It lowers OUR wages, takes our jobs, leaves our borders open to criminal activity, illegals do not have to pay the same taxes as the rest of us, and a govnernment needs to be able to regulate things, they have to know how many are here, who are here, if they've got a criminal record or are on the run. Illegal immigration hurts us in many ways, and none of them being "because theyr brown".

I never said that. I said that I thought one of the big reasons why people actually care is because of cultural differences and never even mentioned race. I don't see most of these harms as a big issue, as wages fall then labor prices do so and all members of the transaction are benefited. We can argue that a third party who now isn't traded with doesn't benefit, but we could argue that with anything but frankly, I think that efficient production is a great good. Also, I don't think that we can stop criminal activity other than by legalizing much of the drug trade and thus bringing in into the light. I think that illegal immigrants are actually a low crime group because they are all afraid of losing their great opportunity. I don't think that illegal immigration really hurts us that much.

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I don't think that we can help Mexico without forcing them to make certain policy decisions as wealth is often really related to good policy and time practicing it. I don't have much of a problem with illegal immigration.

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16 Nov 2007, 11:41 pm

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We have to first fix our own government. lets face it, our government is waaaayyyyy out of line. If we could fix the corruption in OUR government, we could then work on fixing Mexico's government. First step is getting rid of NAFTA.

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16 Nov 2007, 11:48 pm

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I think that everyone in the USA should learn Spanish, because...

I'll have to disagree with you there.
Canada and Belgium are two countries that have 2 major national languages. They have some pretty bad social problems amongst themselves. Quebec's been trying to seperate for years, and the Dutch part of Belgium wants to seperate, also.
English should be the only national language, and all government documents should only be printed in English.

I'm sticking with my Mandarin and French, thank you.

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I also think a world language would be beneficial, I'd support Spanish for this......

There have already been 2 artifical languages made to serve as worldwide second languages. Those are Esperanto and Ido (the first one being more popular). They're more based on European languages though, so it doesn't really benefit people who speak Arabic, Chinese, Japanese etc. I think they should make a new one that tries to incorporate elements of non-European languages.

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17 Nov 2007, 1:43 am

Cyanide wrote:

pandabear wrote:

I think that everyone in the USA should learn Spanish, because...

The language has little to do with it in Canada. Out in the west there are several towns that are largely french and they dont have the separatism issues that Quebec has. While Language can be a focal point, it merely subverts the real issues.

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17 Nov 2007, 2:00 am

nominalist wrote:

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yeah? when?

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=CADUSD= ... z=l&q=l&c=

The exchange rate continually fluctuates. However, here is the rate as I am typing this message. It is updated on a real-time basis:

1.00 CAD=1.01768 USD

1 CAD = 1.01768 USD

1 USD = 0.982625 CAD

In other words, the $U.S. is worth about 1.8 cents more than the $Canadian.

You can do the conversions for yourself on this page:

http://www.xe.com/

You got it backwards. When i used to order stuff from ebay, and the canadian dollar was worth 80 US cents.. 1CAD = 0.80 USD. just the opposite of your third line. i think around the 11th of november it hit 1.10 US.... 1 CAD = 1.10 USD. thats more value per cent. it took 110 US cents to equal one canadian dollar. Lets look at your third line again.

1 USD = 0.982625 CAD - this means that 1.00 is equal to 0.982625. both the same. if you think of it in terms of physical money, you would have to slice off 0.017375 area from the Canadiam dollar bill, because it is bigger. Or you would have to stretch the american dollar a little to make it cover the same area. Its worth less(but that may have changed at the time of writing.

You are right, it fluctuates, but as you saw in that link i provided, at no point of the day on the 15th(when you posted) did the Canadian dollar fall below the American, unless for an instant.

If you want further proof, look at the exchange five years ago, and you will see that the numbers have flipped.

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17 Nov 2007, 7:16 am

Fuzzy wrote:

You got it backwards.

Yep. You are right. Math has never been my forte. ;-)

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17 Nov 2007, 11:37 am

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The Southern states tried to separate from the USA during the 1860s, even when all government documents were printed in English. Having one national language didn't save anything. And, even if the Southern states had separated, so what?

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17 Nov 2007, 1:09 pm

Cyanide wrote:

pandabear wrote:

I think that everyone in the USA should learn Spanish, because...

snake321 wrote:

I also think a world language would be beneficial, I'd support Spanish for this......

The reason I suggested Spanish is because it is the most used language in the world, roughly half of south america and spain speak spanish, and so do the philipines. So it's already in large use, it is also a simple language (easier to learn).

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17 Nov 2007, 4:09 pm

snake321 wrote:

Actually, I would argue that NAFTA is a step in the right direction and that the best method to go from there is to instead reduce the restrictions found in NAFTA to make it even more of a free trade agreement. I don't think we could actually justly work on fixing Mexico's government beyond using trade policy.

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But that does not mean anything because a bulletproof vest will not prevent death but it will help reduce the chances of it. A national language would promote greater internal unity by promoting a greater amount of mono-culturalism, which is a good thing, as we see with nationalist movements that they are motivated by a distinction between themselves and the rest of the society. Why would it be wise for a national government to promote something that will lead to a reduction of its power and perception of its stability?

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17 Nov 2007, 10:36 pm

nominalist wrote:

Yep. You are right. Math has never been my forte. ;-)

Nor mine! You can guess how carefully I checked my figures and yours, doubting my own perceptions at times!

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18 Nov 2007, 1:43 am

snake321 wrote:

Cyanide wrote:

pandabear wrote:

I think that everyone in the USA should learn Spanish, because...

snake321 wrote:

I also think a world language would be beneficial, I'd support Spanish for this......

Nope. That'd be Mandarin Chinese. And by your reasoning, we all oughta learn to speak it right away.

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18 Nov 2007, 5:52 am

The USA should become more tolerant of unions and introduce more enlightened workplace conditions.

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18 Nov 2007, 7:11 am

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The USA should become more tolerant of unions and introduce more enlightened workplace conditions.

More tolerant? did you know that canada is said to be more socialist than the US but we are actually less unionized and yet< have generally better working conditions. Unions are not everything when it comes to working conditions,

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18 Nov 2007, 7:20 pm

Fuzzy wrote:

Pandora wrote:

The USA should become more tolerant of unions and introduce more enlightened workplace conditions.

That's probably why Canada never needed unions then, because they got good enough working conditions from their employers already. Definitely not the case in the USA...

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19 Nov 2007, 11:57 am

this is whats going to happen i think. the dollar is going so low that if it crashes the united states will say the only way to save everything is to join america mexico and canada together

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