Political debates are illogical

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AG, I don't argue with nihilists, nihilists are not humans, they are psychopaths, how could you trust anyone who would f**k you over in the bat of an eyelash for their own selfish BS?
Compassion and helping one another is one of the major morals humans have initially adopted for survival. In other words, Bob knew that if he f****d jack over, jack would retaliate. But he knew if he helped jack, jack would help him too when he needed it. So it is only logical that to have a cohesive system to live by, that people make compromise, consider one anothers' position, and work together. So if your looking for a logical argument why selfishness is wrong, then that's the best I can give you, because morality is not a physical object.

Morals aren't physical objects, they can't be proven. But the need for morality is very much proven. I just believe in the simplest, most fair, secular form of morality than anyone SHOULD be able to grasp. The very basics of what it means to be a human being.

Nihilism is by definition lack of empathy for others. If you've got empathy, your not a nihilist.

Morality is not physical, just like other constructs of the mind. You cannot determine it by simply scanning the brain, and looking for chemical impulses. The sentient mind goes beyond that, I think, into a whole other dimension, of sorts. It changes, just like all manners of human thinking. But I believe that some things are ingrained, and moral standards must be upheld. What are we going to do, accept things which are negative and detrimental?

There is a basic, very basic form of human morality, which everyone with common sense should be able to grasp, and then there are the more complicated moral values which are imprinted, by one's environment and experiences. People and societies may hold themselves to varying moral standards. It's so much more complicated because of the human mind and society in general. The human knowledge base also plays a part.

For example, in Ancient Greece, pederasty was considered a social norm, either because some sort of gene for sexual attraction to children was significantly common, or it was a social construct.
Of course, that extends into sexuality.

In medieval times, people were executed and tortured in horrific ways, for being accused of heresy and witchcraft. Now that humanity knows so much more, we know that those people were living human beings who felt pain, not horrible demons out to do nasty things to children, etc. And indeed, children were and are considered very precious, a family's lifeblood. That parental instinct remains, and the majority of parents have that.

Of course, the traditional family has been in decline for decades. The moral upheaval from the late 20th century onwards is causing great changes to moral values. For the worse, I think. People aren't learning as they once were, many children don't have an upbringing that many kids with well-paid parents up to that point would take for granted, not even question. It is a matter of concern. Perhaps it is encouraging more individuality. Perhaps the most recent generations will mature and be more informed. But there is also the liberal consensus which is incapable of facing off against real moral challenges, especially in the developed world. Do we retreat and lose everything, under the idea that any loss of life to protect other lives is unacceptable?
Whilst I have nothing against liberal viewpoints, people should be able to face reality, and societies have fallen because of internal weakness.
Why did Rome fall? Was it really because of barbarians? Arrogance, complacency, and ignorance lead to the corrosion and collapse of even the mightiest empires. I do not know for sure. But it is an example of collapse from within.

the criticism i pointed out with post modernism, if nothing counts as knowledge then nobody can ever be wrong. But there is a reality out there greater than any one human's bias-ridden perception. That is what is called ultimate reality, the real world, that we actually live in. Not a false reality used to escape real reality, but the real, ultimate reality.
selfishness and ignorance do nothing in the greater scheme of things but add to this chain reaction of "get them before they get you", which makes our world and our societies unable to advance or progress because more problems are popping up faster than they can be solved. A society or a civilization is a group effort, in the long run what's bad for one group will be bad for all groups, what is bad for one person will eventually be bad for others..... Lets say you steal from a friend, they find out, then they are going to retaliate, that is not good for you. So selfishness has little practical survival logic. We've all got to work together. At a greater level, you see, we're all connected. Everything and everyone is.