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Who do you think Jesus Christ is?
God in the form of a man 21%  21%  [ 22 ]
Great prophet 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Great moral teacher 25%  25%  [ 26 ]
Great prophet/great moral teacher 11%  11%  [ 12 ]
Angel-like figure, but not God 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Spaced-out hippie character 7%  7%  [ 7 ]
Complete fraud 8%  8%  [ 8 ]
Lunatic, not quite all there 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Other (write-in) 22%  22%  [ 23 ]
Total votes : 105

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15 Jan 2008, 7:27 pm

I think he is a continuation of the Sun God myth. Jesus is representative of the Sun, also known as the Sun/Son of God. I don't think he actually ever existed.

And if a man named Jesus who went about in said manner as Jesus was written to have done(Which I highly doubt), I think he was just a man. I would liken him to Buddha.



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15 Jan 2008, 8:09 pm

If you're implying that there was some wordplay on sun of god/son of god, I find that highly unlikely unless the words "son" and "sun" are also alike in ancient aramaic.

And I think Jesus probably looked a hell of a lot more like a much shorter version of Osama Bin Laden than an aesthetically pleasing and slightly effeminate northern european man.



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15 Jan 2008, 8:14 pm

i agree with mikebw. jesus was just a guy in a long line of sun gods, but regardless of what he was, his teachings are inspirational and uplifting to say the least and i think thats what people will mostely know him as


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15 Jan 2008, 8:25 pm

the judeo-christian god was thought to have evolved from the egyptian sun-god amon-ra, but that doesn't quite explain how jesus fits in.



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16 Jan 2008, 12:53 am

Obres is right. Thing is too, it was alright to refer to God as being a Father figure, but the Jews always used a word with a very formal meaning, more like how a Catholic addresses a priest as Father. Jesus actually used the word 'abba,' the same word a human son would use to refer to his human father and could almost be used the same way as the word "daddy." It was a much more affectionate term, and no one in that time would have dared use it because it simply didn't describe their relationship with Him.



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16 Jan 2008, 7:23 pm

Obres wrote:
the judeo-christian god was thought to have evolved from the egyptian sun-god amon-ra, but that doesn't quite explain how jesus fits in.

I'm not an expert in history, but I still have access to a file of a history professor that says that Amenhotep IV introduced monotheism after the exodus.



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29 Jan 2008, 2:06 pm

a creation like Robin Hood.

A character even more inspiring than Sherlock Holmes, :D ( to some), with even less historical basis than King Arthur. A part in a mystery play.

A parable. A metaphor. An archetype clothed in excerpts of old testament. Nobody.

A "teaching device".

See Gnostic and Pagan Mysteries. "Higher Criticism".

Robert Price for example. Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy. Earl Doherty.

NB: see http://pages.ca.inter.net/~oblio/home.htm

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29 Jan 2008, 4:36 pm

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29 Jan 2008, 10:48 pm

Jesus is someone who may or may not have existed but his teachings (or whoever wrote the teachings in his name) were good and inspiring. If those teachings can give birth to the biggest religion in the world today, may be he IS the son of god. not literally, but figuratively like when you beat someone in a video game, you say 'i am the god of this videogame!'.



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29 Jan 2008, 11:37 pm

aaronrey wrote:
'i am the god of this videogame!'.


Have you ever said that before in a video game?



It's just a game you know...



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01 Feb 2008, 6:24 pm

Jesus as presented in the Gospels is a quite interesting and complex character who at times just doesn't seem to understand why his closest friends don't understand him (hmmm, does anyone here relate to that?). In other words, could Jesus have been an Aspy? I am assuming two things here, that one, a wandering Jewish peasant/mystic of that name did actually exist, and that two, the Gospels are a pretty accurate portrait of this person.

The major problem I have with the idea of Jesus being God/God's Son (although it is attractive, the idea that "God was one of us, a slob like one of us," as the song goes) is that not only is that idea TOTALLY alien to Judaism, the religion Jesus supposedly belonged to, is that when I look back at the history of Christianity (not just the parts they taught in Sunday School or Catechism) I find that there was no universal agreement on the subject. The Nicene Creed, considered to be the definitive word on the subject, was not adopted until three centuries after the man lived, if he even lived at all. And even then it met stiff opposition. Fast forward a few centuries to the Protestant Reformation, and the fracturing of churches that continue to this day.

What does this have to do with Jesus's divinity? If I remember the Gospels correctly, he explicitly promised that he would be with his followers till the end of time and would send the Holy Spirit to teach them all truths. Now, if that is so, how could there be such widespread disagreement among his followers as to who/what he was? Furthermore, if, as the Protestant Reformers insisted, the church had fallen into such error that it basically had to be scrapped and started anew, then what of his promise to stay with the church and guide it? Why would he allow his church to go so far off track for so long? Granted, I was brought up Catholic, so I may have somewhat of a bias here, but the way I see it, is if they are right (and I believe history is pretty much on their side), then that nullifies Jesus' promise. Obviously he did NOT stay with his followers, and therefore cannot be God.



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01 Feb 2008, 6:55 pm

Fact: Jesus never refered to himself as the Son of God, only as the Son of Man.

He also said "Many will come after me who can do as I have and more.", but it's human nature to create messiahs from people who have exceptional abilities. Practically every religion has one prophet and denies the possibility that others may follow, probably because the priesthood can make up as much as they want about a religion if no-one else can come along and tell them they're wrong.

He was alive in a very superstitious time, so I don't think any of his contemporaries would be capable of understanding his gifts, or explaining them properly.

I believe he was extremely gifted, and having studied the scriptures understood them to a greater degree than any of his contemporaries. He was ahead of his time, and if he was around today would be considered the top of the field in sociology, politics and holistic medicine.

As far as I'm concerned everyone has the same potential, so long as they believe in themselves strongly enough. To me Jesus is an example of what I should strive to be like, not someone I should worship.



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02 Feb 2008, 6:52 am

A nice guy, like the Mahaatma.
That's what I think about Jesus.


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02 Feb 2008, 4:00 pm

polarity wrote:
Fact: Jesus never refered to himself as the Son of God, only as the Son of Man.

He also said "Many will come after me who can do as I have and more.", but it's human nature to create messiahs from people who have exceptional abilities. Practically every religion has one prophet and denies the possibility that others may follow, probably because the priesthood can make up as much as they want about a religion if no-one else can come along and tell them they're wrong.

He was alive in a very superstitious time, so I don't think any of his contemporaries would be capable of understanding his gifts, or explaining them properly.


It's not just particular to that time. Even today, there are people who do that. Just look at the Rebbe worshippers. He never said he was Moshiach, but they don't care.



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02 Feb 2008, 5:20 pm

DevilInPgh wrote:
polarity wrote:
Fact: Jesus never refered to himself as the Son of God, only as the Son of Man.

He also said "Many will come after me who can do as I have and more.", but it's human nature to create messiahs from people who have exceptional abilities. Practically every religion has one prophet and denies the possibility that others may follow, probably because the priesthood can make up as much as they want about a religion if no-one else can come along and tell them they're wrong.

He was alive in a very superstitious time, so I don't think any of his contemporaries would be capable of understanding his gifts, or explaining them properly.


It's not just particular to that time. Even today, there are people who do that. Just look at the Rebbe worshippers. He never said he was Moshiach, but they don't care.


I think that is a natural tendency in humans - 'Life of Brian' had a humorous take on that.



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02 Feb 2008, 10:03 pm

I love and believe in Jesus Christ.