Could Obama be the Antichrist?

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12 Mar 2008, 9:43 am

He doesn't come from the Roman Empire, so no. The antichrist will be a European leader. I'm guessing whoever is Pope at the time will be the "false prophet", the man who introduces the antichrist. The Pope is in an easy position to do that, because everyone knows him, and everyone knows he claims to be in tune with God. So he can just say, "Here he is, everyone" (points to antichrist) "This is God incarnate!"

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12 Mar 2008, 11:41 am

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My dad thinks Obama is the antichrist. With my anxiety I get from the aspergers that gave me some trouble, thinking about how the world would be so close to the end. Im a christian though so I know Im going to heaven.

But then my mom got an email with some evidence saying obama was the antichrist from the bible. Not only did that give more proof, but it showed more then my dad believed Barrack was the AC. There a lot of youtube videos and articles on the internet that say the same thing too.

What do you guys think? What do I think? I think you need to get right with God before the end comes.

When I was a little younger than you are, Aspie Rocker, our church said that the Anti Christ would come out of the Soviet Union, invade the United States, etc. That was back around 1970. Now, in 2008, there is no Soviet Union, they didn't invade the United States, and the Anti Christ didn't come from that government. There are a lot of Christians who try to predict events using the books of Daniel and Revelations and have been doing that for over 2000 years. It's really sad that you have anxiety over this. The predictions haven't been true, and they probably aren't now. Try not to listen to them or worry about it.

Religious people have always used prophecies for political propaganda, including the original authors of the prophecies. I saw a show about how well the anti-christ prophecy fit in with the politics at the time it was written. It was more than likely written as political satire at a time when writing something more direct would've gotten you killed, so instead you write something in more vague, prophetic terms. It's not really that much of a foreign idea to us, I mean who hasn't thought about writing a prophecy today that ends up with Bush unwittingly exterminating humanity or Cheney revealing himself as satan and devouring all our souls? Writing doom prophecy is a way of saying "hey, I think the guys in charge are really dangerous, dangerous enough to potentially destroy you and me and everything we've ever known".

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12 Mar 2008, 12:17 pm

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Why do some people think Obama might be the antichrist? I can't think of any reasons.

It's because he's black, and they're racist. Got it?

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12 Mar 2008, 12:48 pm

Everchanging wrote:

zendell wrote:

Why do some people think Obama might be the antichrist? I can't think of any reasons.

It's because he's black, and they're racist. Got it?

Well, if it has anything to do with race, it's because he's multi-racial, as in, "a man to unite the world" or something. But I don't think his race has anything to do with his being suspected to be the antichrist, especially since most people suspected to be the antichrist throughout history were white, as were the Romans, from which revived empire the antichrist is supposed to hail.

By the way, why do people say Obama is black? He's not black, he's mixed. His mother was a white American, and his father was a black Kenyan. He is no more black than white, so why do most people say he's black? Why not use the more accurate term mulatto, which means descended from a white parent and a black parent?

People don't know what to call him, and they are afraid to label him, so he has a sort of "politically correct invulnerability" because we know neither his race nor his religion for sure. But it's quite ironic for a presidential candidate to have people tip-toeing around criticizing him, for fear they'll look bad for insulting a black man or a Muslim, rather than the candidate himself based on his platform (if we can ever find out what his platform is with any precision).

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12 Mar 2008, 1:34 pm

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I mean who hasn't thought about writing a prophecy today that ends up with Bush unwittingly exterminating humanity or Cheney revealing himself as satan and devouring all our souls? Writing doom prophecy is a way of saying "hey, I think the guys in charge are really dangerous, dangerous enough to potentially destroy you and me and everything we've ever known".

Yes . . . and I think its related to why horror and disaster movies have so much appeal to many today. Revelations was written in a time of persecution of early Christians by Rome. By creating something that is negative in the extreme (persecution of followers of a religion or the end of this world, for example), it makes the bad times we experience now seem more manageable. Did any of you watch the movie, The Day After Tomorrow? Its in that genre. I felt good after watching it because it so extreme it made the weather changes we're experiencing today seem insignificant. But the genre also leaves us with worry for the future, much like Revelations and the Anti Christ.

In my opinion, Christian Dispensationalism is one of the most destructive lines of Biblical interpretation/theory of the 20th century that continues to today. And it is just that, a theory, an interpretation. Just my opinion and I was raised in it and believed it. I don't expect to change any minds on the subject, and I probably won't change mine.

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12 Mar 2008, 3:03 pm

Really now.

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12 Mar 2008, 4:19 pm

He's the anti-Rice.

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12 Mar 2008, 4:36 pm

Averick wrote:

Really now.

Yes, really. Someone should do a study of bizarre and untrue prognostications that evangelists like Jack Van Impe have promoted over the years, and how much anxiety, misunderstanding, and driving people away from Christ the falseness has produced. When I was in those circles I would hear that the methods are justified if one person is brought to Jesus. Dispensationalist crystal ball reading and scare tactics have done much more harm than they have done good. When the predictions don't come true, those who believed through anxiety and fear often vehemently loose their faith. I did not believe through Dispensationalism, the dose of that came a little later in my life, but I imagine I'll be put on a prayer list somewhere for saying what I just said.

Edit: I experienced exactly the same kind of anxiety that Aspie Rocker is currently experiencing. And for what? So that a group of people with disdain for this world, other races, politics, or whatever could feel superior certainty through a literalist, argumentative, rationalized prediction of the circumstances leading up to Christ's return. That doesn't seem very Christ-like to me.

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12 Mar 2008, 11:00 pm

zendell wrote:

IMO, there is no way Obama could be the antichrist because I don't think he fulfills the prophecies written about the antichrist. Why do some people think Obama might be the antichrist? I can't think of any reasons.

Why do they think of a single person to be the antichrist?

An old interesting interpretation of the Bible, is related to the beast with 10 horns mentioned in the book of Daniel, according to this interpretation, the 10 horns represent Europe, which never can be unified, which were also represented by the feet from the giant statue also mentioned in Daniel, then there is this another horn which is bigger than the others, (Daniel 7:20) which it represents the USA.

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13 Mar 2008, 1:04 am

Now that Bush has killed more Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan than were killed in 9/11 and has seen to it that the educational systems, the ecology, the economy, the morality, the government organizations responsible for food and product safety, the trust in science and knowledge, and the civil rights of the USA are vitally harmed and on their way to destruction is there any doubt as to the identity of the antichrist?

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13 Mar 2008, 2:45 am

If there was an anti-christ, then yes i would agree with you about Bush. But there is no reason to accuse even Bush of being evil. You're doing the same as Aspie_Rocker

Stop the BS please!!!11

Maybe you're just joking. Irony on the internet is difficult, at least I have trouble with irony on the net.

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13 Mar 2008, 3:08 am

Sure. Just joking. How can somebody so stupid be the antichrist? He has kids that have to live in the world after he has totally screwed it up. That's not evil, that's idiocy - or is that the same thing?

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13 Mar 2008, 10:29 am

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By the way, why do people say Obama is black? He's not black, he's mixed. His mother was a white American, and his father was a black Kenyan. He is no more black than white, so why do most people say he's black? Why not use the more accurate term mulatto, which means descended from a white parent and a black parent?

Is anyone going to answer my question?

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13 Mar 2008, 11:40 am

Ragtime wrote:

Is anyone going to answer my question?

He is dark-skinned. He self-identifies as black. He has negroid facial features, and hair. And if you insist that in order to be considered "black" one may have no European ancestors, you've cut out most of the "black" people in the US and Europe, and a fair number of Africans.

Also, the term "mulatto", originating as it did as a way of distinguishing subtle differences amongst slaves, is laden with emotional content which is not helpful in this context. It would be no more helpful to insist that we refer to Sen. Obama as a "quadroon", another obsolete term for such mixing of gene patterns.

Biologically speaking, the varieties of humanity are not sufficiently distinct for any of us to qualify as a separate "race". The genetics of, say, Nelson Mandela and David Duke are more similar than the genetics of, say, a Great Dane and a daschund, but no one discusses the "races" of dogs. The division is an artificial one, invented in a time when one group wanted to claim some pseudo-rational basis for its claims of superiority over all others. Ergo, if Obama wants to call himself "black", and his skin is darker than one might get by giving a Scandinavian a tan, he can call himself black. I'll even indulge him.

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13 Mar 2008, 11:43 am

Ragtime wrote:

Is anyone going to answer my question?

Sure.

The black gene is supposedly dominate. And mulatto is considered by many to be a racist term.

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13 Mar 2008, 1:05 pm

DeaconBlues wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Is anyone going to answer my question?

What I'm suggesting is that in order to identify as black, one wouldn't be equally white, as in 50/50. Obama's white "ancestor" is his mom.

By blood, I'm 50% Jewish and 50% European Gentile. I don't insist that everyone consider me 100% Jewish or 100% Gentile, nor do I think of myself as such. Ah, maybe it's all neither here nor there; maybe I'll wake up tomorrow self-identifying as a black man, and everyone will have to consider me that.

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