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Was he gay?
Yes 35%  35%  [ 17 ]
no 37%  37%  [ 18 ]
not sure 29%  29%  [ 14 ]
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12 Apr 2008, 7:01 pm

Spoonfed by others? :P What a wonderful insult, thank you. And does your morality come from yourself?

So are you aware of Christianity before it became the state religion of the Roman empire? Do you know any history of the pre-Catholic Church? The persecutions of the fathers? Ignatius or Martyr ring a bell?



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12 Apr 2008, 7:13 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Spoonfed by others? :P What a wonderful insult, thank you. And does your morality come from yourself?

So are you aware of Christianity before it became the state religion of the Roman empire? Do you know any history of the pre-Catholic Church? The persecutions of the fathers? Ignatius or Martyr ring a bell?



okay....so? there were also many traitors during that same period who later converted back with constantine's HRE.


i'm very much aware of pre-constantine. i went to a jesuit high school and had to take religion classes (by religion, i of course mean jesuit christianity...there was no studies of islam or budhism or even judaism).


so yeah....i repeat: so what? people face persecution and follow their beliefs all the time. it means very little other than the amazing ability of humans to persevere in the face of adversity.

my morality is still evolving as i take in the world around me and learn more and see more of what my actions do to others. my morality is that of concern for others, not concern for some imagined deity.



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13 Apr 2008, 2:35 pm

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from a moral standpoint, i think the donatists have a very good point and i agree with their viewpoint of ex opere operantis. i'd say you seem like you would too but i doubt you have any actual morals of your own..just what you're spoonfed by others.


Who has ever developed spontaneous morals, independant of other human beings? If you're all alone, who is there to teach you values and right from-wrong? Inaminate objects? Sure, I was spoonfed my morals. They were given to me by others, but they have become my own. I think you're taking this "nonconformist freethinker rebel" stuff way too far.

John Donne said, No man is an island.

And he was right.



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13 Apr 2008, 3:21 pm

Maybe he was an aspie and just couldn't get laid



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13 Apr 2008, 3:22 pm

Given that he though he was God I'd guess he was a Schizophrenic with a Messiah Complex. 8)


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13 Apr 2008, 3:27 pm

MartyMoose wrote:
Maybe he was an aspie and just couldn't get laid


Jesus wasn't trying to get laid. He was celibate.



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13 Apr 2008, 3:30 pm

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Given that he though he was God I'd guess he was a Schizophrenic with a Messiah Complex. 8)


Funny you should say that. During his ministry, lots of people assumed he was crazy. Others thought he must be demonically possessed. And others believed took Jesus for his word, believing what He said.



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13 Apr 2008, 4:43 pm

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Jesus lived a very simple life and did receive any formal education that we know of.


I think it would be an good challenge, emotionaly, to have dealt with all that went against Jews, and then step up and act like some leader for them in a way ( a threat in another), and knowing people are going to kill or torture you for it. That doesn't sound very simple to me. That sounds scarey. :) If you feel you could go against the odds, my bows to you.



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13 Apr 2008, 5:10 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Spoonfed by others? :P What a wonderful insult, thank you. And does your morality come from yourself?

So are you aware of Christianity before it became the state religion of the Roman empire? Do you know any history of the pre-Catholic Church? The persecutions of the fathers? Ignatius or Martyr ring a bell?


What insult? Someone saying they think it's a myth is .. saying they think it's a myth...



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13 Apr 2008, 5:17 pm

I suspect that Jesus was bisesxual at the most, quite possibly straight. Remember Mary Magdalen and the story behind The Last Temptation of Christ? Theres a highly controversial conjecture that after surviving the crucifiction, he knocked someone up and fathered a child :? . I really DO wonder about Jesus sometimes, I often wonder if he 's really the man we think he was. Today, Jesus is portrayed by many evangelicals as being a mythological figure-kinda like a Divine Cosmic Superman.
I have read some anecdotes BTW that claim the storyline behind the Superman comic/mythos was based on Jesus Christ 8O .



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13 Apr 2008, 5:40 pm

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I suspect that Jesus was bisesxual at the most, quite possibly straight. Remember Mary Magdalen and the story behind The Last Temptation of Christ? Theres a highly controversial conjecture that after surviving the crucifiction, he knocked someone up and fathered a child :? . I really DO wonder about Jesus sometimes, I often wonder if he 's really the man we think he was. Today, Jesus is portrayed by many evangelicals as being a mythological figure-kinda like a Divine Cosmic Superman.
I have read some anecdotes BTW that claim the storyline behind the Superman comic/mythos was based on Jesus Christ 8O .


1. Yes, Superman was/is a Secular Messisah.
2. Why the obession with Jesus' sexuality? Why do you persist with it? :x :x



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13 Apr 2008, 6:01 pm

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from a moral standpoint, i think the donatists have a very good point and i agree with their viewpoint of ex opere operantis. i'd say you seem like you would too but i doubt you have any actual morals of your own..just what you're spoonfed by others.


Who has ever developed spontaneous morals, independant of other human beings? If you're all alone, who is there to teach you values and right from-wrong? Inaminate objects? Sure, I was spoonfed my morals. They were given to me by others, but they have become my own. I think you're taking this "nonconformist freethinker rebel" stuff way too far.

John Donne said, No man is an island.

And he was right.



my point is that he has no morals other than what he is told. some people can develop morals through empathy like me while others have to rely on authoritative figures like church figures and that crap. my point is my morals are not marbles filling a glass but water. my morals while first introduced by others are refined and redefined as i go through life and learn more and see more of the world.

stagnant morality is as bad as no morality because it ends up with stupid garbage like that thread equating homosexuality to bestiality.


indeed, no man is an island...that's why my morals are ever evolving because i interact with people and gain different perspectives.


as far as taking nonconformist freethinker too far: obviously i haven't gone far enough yet.



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13 Apr 2008, 6:19 pm

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my point is that he has no morals other than what he is told. some people can develop morals through empathy like me while others have to rely on authoritative figures like church figures and that crap. my point is my morals are not marbles filling a glass but water. my morals while first introduced by others are refined and redefined as i go through life and learn more and see more of the world.


The church isn't my only source of moral guidance. Wasn't my first and won't be my last, either. The process of going through life and seeing more of the world is exactly how one develops his own conscience. And that of course means learning from others. Not just authority figures, not just the church.

The ability to empathize of itself is insufficient to develop a conscience. Sooner or later, from whatever source, guidance is necessary. Accepting guidance is no loss of face, and it does not mean you are being "spoonfed."



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13 Apr 2008, 7:18 pm

Odin wrote:
Given that he though he was God I'd guess he was a Schizophrenic with a Messiah Complex. 8)

Did he believe he was God? I've heard it interpreted that he didn't.

Not that he didn't have one hell of a messiah complex. But then I tend to think there's a close relation between schizophrenia and religion (not passing judgment here).


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13 Apr 2008, 7:22 pm

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Did he believe he was God? I've heard it interpreted that he didn't.


Where did you hear it interpreted that way?



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13 Apr 2008, 9:34 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Matthew 26:48-49 KJV
"(48) Now he that betrayed him gave them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he: hold him fast."

(PNT commentary) Mat 26:48-49 Gave them a sign. A kiss; a common method of salutation among intimate friends. A sign was needful to point Jesus out to the soldiers. Such a traitorous kiss was the depth of depravity--enmity under the guise of friendship.

"(49) And forthwith he came to Jesus, and said, Hail, master; and kissed him."

In the middle east, both today and 3000 years ago as well as in between, kissing has been comparable to shaking hands in European cultures.


I just finished watching Borat, and he liked to kiss guys, too.
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