'Left Behind' devotees are secret anti-semites

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Chance? You mean there will be a raffle?

Don't you mean opportunity to give up the religion they were raised in and convert?

^^^ Unintelligible.

I mean opportunity, yes. That is one form of chance. Even pedantry fails to paint my word choice as poor.

(But if you thought I meant a raffle, then that illuminates the cause of some of your previous miscomprehensions for me.)

But I did not mean the opportunity to give up their religion,
but rather the opportunity to understand what it means to be truly Jewish.

And what it means for a Jew to be truly and fully Jewish is to accept Israel's Messiah -- the Messiah who proclaimed:
"I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matt 15:24).

Jesus ("Yeshua", actually) is the Jewish Messiah, as Isaiah 53:2-12 makes fairly plain:

2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

3 He was despised and rejected by men,
a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering.
Like one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he took up our infirmities
and carried our sorrows,
yet we considered him stricken by God,
smitten by him, and afflicted.

5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
and by his wounds we are healed.

6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before her shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.

8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
And who can speak of his descendants?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was stricken.

9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.

11 After the suffering of his soul,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

Not trying to paint your word choices as poor - just asking for a real answer (and making a rather weak joke). Ok, after your hints and allusions, now I think I understand your position. It could be seen as the culmination of Judaism, or as conversion to the idea that Jesus is the messiah. Depends on one's perspective.

Do you mean Rothschild?

How do you know it's the Rothschilds? Why not the Morgans? Or the Rockefellers?



I hate those Left Behind books... yawn.

So why on earth did you ask for your question to be answered about Christians believing in Jews are not going to heaven ???

Actually, I dont know, as I said, "its widely tipped".
A bit of reasearch and you will find that though they are in the same club of world bankers, the Rothschilds are well at the top, Morgan was representative of Rothschild, one of the bankers who was belived to be the richest man in the world, on his death it was discovered the Rothschild held 98% of his shares.
The thing with the Rothschilds are, they hide there wealth and influence very well behind other institutions, partialy due to the anti-Rothschild sentiments that where arrising in the West due to thier wealth and political influence, they are still known to set the world price of gold each day.
Estimates put the wealth of the Rothschild dynasty at 53% of the worlds weath.

I thought the same pyramid with the eye of Horus/Satan on the back of the dollar, appearing at the Rothschild financed and designed Isreali Supreme Court might have been a clue.

Iam sure you know the Federal Reserve is a privately run company, much like Rothschilds Bank of England, it prints Americas paper money at the price of $1 and 15 cents for each piece of paper, America is in so much debt to the fed now that the Fed holds all Americas gold as collateral.
Think of the power you have to use a country that is enslaved to you due to its forever unpayable debt. And remember the similarity between the Feds green pyramid and Rothschilds green pyramid.

Moksha means liberation. In this sense, it is found in Buddhism.

Don't worry, I know the history and the way things are right now, and I believe it.

I just don't believe there's an 'anti-Christ'. Though if there was one, I would hedge my bets on it being one of them. I was more being just being my pedantic aspie self about your spelling of the name... sorry.


Either way, I hate the books and I love the original post of this.

anti-christ, no.

owner of everything: most likely a good bit.

the puppeteer? i doubt such a person would ever be public.

Yes my spelling often leaves a lot to be desired, another thing that gets me in trouble, especialy here, is my use of sarcasim, which can often be taken literaly when writen down.

As for not beliveing in an anti-christ, perhaps because its from the Bible?, yet I presume you belive in the coming uniting of the nations by the ruling Elite, commonly called, "The New World Order"?
Did you know that just as the Bible fortells the coming Anti-Christ, it also fortells of a uniting of nations into one political entity and in opposition to God?

Interesting...

I don't like the bible much for a few reasons, the main one being that so many of its tenets may have applied 2,000-5,000 years or so ago, but not now. Although it does contain a lot of wisdom, I feel it's very restricting to take just one of the holy books literally and to confine yourself to one religion. I believe in a higher power, yes, and I do believe in an 'afterlife' on a higher plane, and souls, and all that stuff. But I also believe in reincarnation to an extent, and that we're here to learn things. God (for want of a better word) is love and light and energy that runs through all things; the spite and wrath the bible talks about just doesn't resonate with what I know of things - to me, that smacks of a basic concept that's been adulterated by man for his own control.

There are so many holy books in the world (those of the buddhists, the hindus, the jews, the gnostics, even *gasp* islam, and on so on and so forth) that all have so many common threads, and these are the ones I think you need to consider and take seriously as true knowledge.

There's big change coming up in the world, but to me, focussing on negatives is only going to be attracting bad energy and that's the last thing this planet needs right now. We need to be focussed on the positives, the good things - even only using positive language. Think how you feel when you hear the words 'fear, anger, fury, sorrow' compared to 'love, peace, open-ness, acceptance, light' - that's what I'm talking about. Everything right now is so crucial, we need to be positive and to attract positive energy into this world. Continually focussing on negative, doomsday prophecies from all those years ago is not the way to go about things right now.

Funnily enough, in attempt to discover what muslims feel Muhammed had to offer, over and above what Jesus allready said, in whom Muslims belive was a prophet of God, Iam reading the Koran at the moment.

Though Iam only a third of the way through, I have to say its the most negative and blasphomous book I have read, all its content seems to be is the worthyness of God to be worshipped, and the horrible torture that God is going to inflict forever on every poor soul who doesnt happen to be a Muslim.
Every other page seems to have accounts of being burnt to death with flames 7 times hotter than normal, only to be endlessly brough back to life by God to be tortued again and again and again.
Suits of molten pitch etc.

I prefer the God of Love of the Bible who promises life to those who want it, and a return to dust for those that dont.

As for Buddism and re-incarnation.
The original lie Satan told Adam was that if he rejected God he would live forever and be like God.
The re-incarnation, life after death belief is still an acceptance of this lie, that we dont need God to maintain life, and I understand Buddism has the belife that we can attain to godship via our own works.
I think the world has had time enough to realise there are never enough good men to elevate mankind to a godlike plane, today we see more men debasing mankind to worst than the animals. Lovely though the idea might be.

My point about the Bible though was that its the only Holy book to accurately point out the way events are unfolding.

And though a lot of negativity will come first, the message of the Bible is that soon it will wipe out all negativity and everything will be as positive as the way a God of Love intended it.

Positivity breeds positivity - you can't get it from negativity.

Anyway, doesn't the bible say quite a lot about how everyone non-Christian will burn in hell for all eternity too? There are more than a few parallels in those books.

Reincarnation... well, it makes sense if you figure that everything else in the world goes in cycles, so why would we be any different? It's not that hard to work out. I mean, souls are eternal, so it'd make sense that they just shift between planes as such, learning and growing.

I don't see us as being the same as god, I see it that god is an energy - a life force - that runs through and is part of all things, including us. There is no separation - we are all the same.

No, the concept of a burning Hell was a Catholic creation used to fighten people into becoming Catholics.
Muhammed had a Catholic Uncle from whom he got a lot of the Bible from that he uses in the Koran, a misunderstanding about what Hell is, being one of them.

Dust you are, and dust you will return, says the Bible, also, the wages of sin is death, not torture.
Hell is also called sheol or Hades, Jesus went there for 3 days untill his resurrection, its basically the grave.
In Revelation it talks about the lake of fire, Gehenna, Gehenna was a valley outside Jerusalem where the Jews burnt both rubbish, dead dogs, and the bodies of criminals who they didnt think deserved a ressurrection, it means eternal destruction, not torture, at the end of Revelkation it sates that both death and hell are hurled into the lake of fire, so hell cannot be the lake of fire, ie, you cannot hurl hell into hell.

Are souls eternal?,
If I get a severe blow to the head, I get brain damage and lose a lot of my personality and thinking power, if I had a soul that carried my consciousness in me, why does my consciousness require a brain made of damageable matter?
The Bible says, "the dead are concious of nothing"

Where does heaven fit into all that?