*"Christianity: CBT Cult"*

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Why don't I do more reading before starting some threads? Here is the perfect explanation of the difference that I have been talking about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindfulnes ... ve_Therapy

Now I can go to bed. Goodnight. Thank you for participating!

Christianity is nothing like Scientology. It also isn't a cult by any definition.

Ouinon, your ideas are hateful and perverse.

I don't think it is much like Scientology anymore because it has escaped control of a central leader/administration for one thing.

I think that it may well have been though; on a small scale for half a century or more, before being gradually adopted as a powerful method of social control by the Roman Empire, ( as mandatory national schooling was by the Prussian Empire), and becoming a cult on a scale unprecedented, and unmatched since, in the form of the Roman Catholic Church.

What differences do you see between ( what we know of ) the early christian church, its teachings, etc, and a cult, like the People's Temple of Jim Jones or Scientology?

What difference do you see between the Roman Catholic Church, ( from its inception/creation in the 4 th century, and its decline after Luther's secession from it in 1521), and a hugely successful cult ( like a gigantic Scientology ) ?

What do you see as full of hate about them? Can't see it myself.

What do you mean by "perverse"? ( Original, innovative, challenging, different, unusual, not appropriately or sufficiently deferent/awed/respectful? )

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Just thought, and have posted this on other relevant thread, ...

( page 12 of http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt58508.html)

Christianity so oppressed people that the most independently minded of them invented increasingly advanced science in order to refute/repudiate its claims, and reduce/remove its stranglehold on people.

The only good thing that has come out of Christianity, if science is "good", arose out of a desperate longing for freedom from its dictatorship/monolithic rule, which extended to our minds.

That is why I am relieved to discover that there is a new branch of Cognitive Therapy , Mindfulness-based ( MBCT), which does not involve the christian-style "judgements" about our thoughts which is traditional CBT, because that, ( CBT) was just too much like a resurgence/renewal of the christian cult's approach.

Just found some brilliant descriptions of early Christianity.

What difference is there between Christianity and a cult/sect like the People's Temple or Scientology except that it was successful?

You can't spout hate-speech on WrongPlanet.

Anti-Christian, anti-Jewish, anti-Muslim, none of it is allowed. I will alert the mods if you continue. I'll try to get you banned.

This isn't "hate speech". Who am I attacking? I am not attacking Christians, just Christianity. It's not the same thing. There is one crucial difference, which is that one is a person, the other is a religion/set of beliefs.

And I am not attacking a race either, as the inclusion of "anti-Jewish" in your list would seem to imply.

NB: I also don't see myself as attacking it so much as dissecting/analysing/uncovering it. Different motivations.

Yes, I know what you're doing. How can you attack a religion when religions are made up of people? Religions do not exist outside of people. You don't give me enough credit, here. I know what you're doing, here. It's not a direct insult, but it's an insult nonetheless. Not really as sneaky as you think.

Good explanatory article about cults and sects at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

ie: a cult that succeeded.

In fact no definition of "cult" or "sect" has yet managed to distinguish between what are perceived to be dangerous and what are seen as benign religious organisations. The only noticeable difference between them is success.

The only reason why Christianity is no longer a cult is because it has been successful. Because the Roman Empire found it useful. ... ...

You should start your own religion.

I can't speak for everyone, but I hear my thought processes in my mind. It is more immediate to me than sensorium. Perhaps it's an aspie thing.

NeantHumain, I don't mean the thoughts that everyone is aware of all the time. Until I did CBT I didn't even know that I could listen to my unconscious thoughts like this. If you can hear your underlying thoughts like that without training, meditation, focussing, etc then you are truly exceptional.

My argument is that Christianity was based on a judgemental attitude to these inner processes, which conventional CBT has built upon, ( that Christianity was like a first version, and very useful for social control ) , compared to Buddhism ( Mindfulness-based CT) as I quoted above, which proposes instead to simply be aware of them so that they become less important.

I just found a lively site stuffed with data debunking Christian fictions masquerading as history at:

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/

This page particularly about the Jesus character:

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/imagine.html

Yeah, the religion that worships the great onion. All hail the onion queen.

An onion is a great metaphor for a lot of things. Good choice.

I prefer "ouinon".