A question about the Catholic church

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I do not have a problem with legal residents of the US, regardless of their previous nationality, unless however they place the support of a foreign nation ABOVE that of their new allegiance to the United States.

FOREIGN FRIENDS AND FAMILY MEMBERS DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO RESIDE IN THIS COUNTRY. IF THEY COME IN ILLEGALLY THEY SHOULD BE DEPORTED IMMEDIATELY AND ANYONE WHO HARBORS THEM OR AIDS THEM IN ANY WAY SHOULD BE PROSECUTED TO FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW.

the fourteenth amendment specifies that those who are naturalized must owe EXCLUSIVE ALLEGIANCE to the United States. The oath of citizenship requires a pledge of such allegiance

No, the 14th Amendment doesn't state that. The Oath of Citizenship does involve renouncing "allegiance and fidelity" to other countries, but the US government does not require that a person give up foreign passports or dual citizenship. Naturalized citizens cannot engage in certain activities related to allegiance and fidelity, but they can still have dual citizenship.

People emigrating from the US do not have their US citizenship revoked, thus rendering your 14th amendment somewhat banal.

US citizens living abroad who have children may bring them back to the states. It used to be that the children gained immediate citizenship, but now I suppose they must naturalize when they reach the age of consent. Again, it is beyond the jurisdiction of the US to void their citizenship in that foreign country. Nor is there any interest in doing so.

Further, I do not know of any international precedence requiring or even permitting a person to lose their primary citizenship(but they could lose proof). Even the dissolution of a country would result in a defacto membership in the country controlling the territory that comprised the ex-state. Whether that country would take the refugee is open to question though.

The only situation I can think of is if an island-state sunk in an earthquake.

In the few years since these studies were made, the
problems associated with illegal immigration
have only intensified

What costs more per year than the the Iraq War?
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. FAIR: : Immigration and Welfare

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. Center for Immigration Studies

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. Center for Immigration Studies

4. $12 Billiondollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/ldt.0.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. &nbs p;CNN.com - Transcripts

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. CNN.com - Transcripts

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSC RIPTS/0604/01/ldt..01.html

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare and Social Services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. CNN.com - Transcripts

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two-and-a-half times that of white non-illegal aliens.. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US . CNN.com - Transcripts

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report. http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.' http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. Wooldridge - How Much Further Into This Nightmare?

What kills more Americans per year than the the Iraq War?
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-blo ... 3891/posts

Since the cost of illegal immigration is more than
the Iraq war, and more Americans are being killed
by illegal immigrants than our soldiers in Iraq..
I think its safe to say that

"THE UNITED STATES IS AT WAR WITH MEXICO"

ahhhh, The dark ages reborn

Illegal immigrants also contribute to our economy. If you looked at only the cost of *American citizens,* without the economic gains they also provide, you'd get an even worse picture - because citizens also take out medicare, medicaid, unemployment, disability, and other social services that require a valid SSN.

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbc ... /SPECIAL62
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi- ... 6102.story
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/col ... 30267.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1970794/posts

Are you saying that the taxes illegal aliens willingly
file with their stolen social security numbers is a
sum greater than the benefits they recieve?

no?

then you must believe that its only right that the
American taxpayer should pay to have their
country siezed by Mexico

Since we love made-up statistics so much:

Spent on immigrants :
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Spent on Iraq:
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Fred,

"CNN - transcripts" is not a source by itself. CNN puts lots of people on their shows, and those people say all kinds of things. That doesn't make CNN the validator of what they say. If it was a spokesman for the Minuteman Militia interviewed on CNN, you should credit that spokesman, not the network.

are you discrediting the statistic or not?

When discrediting the validity of a statistic, one
should note that their opinion regarding a particular
cable news channel makes no difference.

you're not buying it?
fine.. disprove it then

Immigration is a fact of life; it is economic osmosis, an intended part of nature. Nations and laws are an illusion of arbitrary, capricious beliefs, socially imposed. Nationalism is like racism, sexism, and zealotry -- if the false doctrines won't die, the people believing them must, or we will all suffer when the resources start running dry in earnest.

I'm not going to bother investigating. I have seen a similar list on another website I frequent, and when I checked those out, most were somewhere between suspect and bogus.

I do agree that a country has a right to set immigration policy and enforce it. I think the U.S. should do a better job. But I don't stay up at night worrying about the brown hordes.

Great.. thanks for sharing.
Next time you decide to share by leaving out
any and all pertinent substance, please endeavor
to be more complete.



brown has nothing to do with it

if Canada was crashing our borders
destroying our culture, stealing our jobs,
and bankrupting our country, We'd be putting
up a fence on that side instead.

Boy, has this topic gone way off course

The topic was about the motive(s) of the Catholic Church in supporting illegal immigrants

I hate the Catholic Church... I think it is an evil institution. That's where I'm coming from in this question.

I think both reasons apply, but I gave greater weight to "it's the Christian thing to do," and voted that way. After all, they also oppose capital punishment on the basis that it's morally wrong.

I find that offensive and without basis