Kansas school board redefines science

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Bec

You must remember science is a philosophy. It has philosophic beliefs that most scientists believe in. Science is no better than religion is. For it to makes assumptions from what it sees. The sciences may have some basic understandings, but it can not yet even come to the more profound understandings yet.

Sorry I could not get back to You earlier my internet service went down.

That maybe so but that is the BIG QUESTION how it all began. That is even bigger than EVOLUTION. Maybe they should be trying to ANSWER THEM TOO.

Scientists aren't allowed to make assumptions. If science doesn't know how something works, it doesn't know how something works, and that's it. Science knows how the emergence of species works because the theory of evolution has evidence, is falsifiable, and has been tested thoroughly.

Religion, on the other hand, is all about assumptions. Why is the sky blue? God. Who put this rock here? God. Why did that guy cut me off? The Devil. Why is there global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters? A lack of pirates.

I'm optimistic enough to believe that maybe a few of the more intelligent kids in Kansas will see through the mumbo-jumbo, do some research on their own, and realize that ID is nothing more than propaganda, a loud "Nuh uh!" to evolution fabricated by the religious right. But I'm also realistic enough to know that the vast majority of children are not going to do this. I wonder what happens to children's critical thinking skills when they're taught that when science ventures near areas previously thought to be the work of God, it is always wrong. And I especially wonder about what this country's going to be like if these kids are going to be running it someday.

ghotixtis

You got to remember science is philosophy of learning something and even scientists are not perfect. Scientist do may assumptions on how whatever they are working on in their field of science for they are human. Humans to that a lot. Yes they use science to explain it in a scientific way through the Science of Philosophy.

Nothing is going to happen to their critical thinking if they open to all types of ideals and processes not closed minded about little things. They might even run this country better than we have done so far. What has happened in the past is what has happened in the past. Ideals are what makes science what science is in the end. That is what science needs to embrace.

In that case, I DEMAND that the equally valid Flying Spaghetti Monsterism be taught alongside Intelligent Design! His Noodly Appendage shall not be denied!

To All

This makes for a good debate and conversation, but they are not yet teaching Intelligent Design or any-other Hypothetical System in the schools. You all have to remember the Political System is one-thing for it works slowly at best. Maybe if they did get any Hypothetical System in to be taught then I worry, until then it just makes for a good debate and conversation only. Especially in the schools at the local level maybe somethings could be mandated to the local school system. Then You have the Courts because somebody is going to challenge these School Boards in the Courts in the End. The process to change anything become very hard to do and that is why it takes so long of a time to change a School's Curriculum in the fist place.

i like the idea of the noodly appendage. where can i get one?

why are we having another debate on this? shouldn't this go with the same old same old in the other thread(s)?

Yes, Vivi, it should be in the PP& R forum.

I'd like to add that voters in Dover, Pennsyvania overwhelmingly tossed out all eight school board members who voted for teaching ID in 9th grade science class. A ninth supporter was not running for re-election this year.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/ ... 63490.html

"phillyburbs"! !! a new word - i love it! now, what shall i make it mean...?

/me rushes off to write a definition of "phillyburbs"...

(topic moved to PPR).

You girls are good.

I have tried myself with two topics "How did the Universe come to be?" and "Did God create Evolution" in PP&R this is where the debate to should have been in the first place but was not.

These are definitions of 'philosophy' and 'science' from http://dictionary.reference.com/. I highlighted the most important parts.





Philosophy is about wisdom. Science is about knowledge.

Philosophy judges/tests/creates morals, ethics, and values. Science is not involved in morals, ethics, and values.

Philosophers gain understanding by reasoning. Scientists gain understanding empirically.

Philosophy is metaphysical. Science is methodological.

Science is not philosophy, and philosophy is not science.



That is not the 'big question' in evolutionary biology and paleoanthropology. Other types of scientists in other fields are trying to answer that question of how life began.

Saying that evolutionary biologists and paleoanthropologists should try to answer that also is completely absurd. It is like saying podiatrists should also try to perform open-heart surgery.

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i haven't been a girl for about 30 years, kevv. try "woman"?

Bec

It is also:"The critical analysis of fundamental assumptions or beliefs."

You also have to remember it is us humans that are doing the science. No matter what is said that we humans even in science will make assumptions in our beliefs, with the limited knowledge that we humans have. Science is the means of this knowledge, but it is up to us as humans to gain that understanding of such knowledge. Science is truly never so cut and dried, why because we are humans. So I will stand by what I have said fully.

Okay I am sorry WOEMAN.

I just had to say that Okay woman.

Okay female.

thank you.

(i'll be magnanimous and assume that was a typo).