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21 Aug 2008, 7:52 pm

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I didnt realise that christians were the only ones with the right to crusade.

That's right, we patented the crusade long ago, and all these other groups are infringing on our patent rights. :P


You bastards! I'm off to see a patent lawyer :evil:


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21 Aug 2008, 7:52 pm

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Theism is flawed. Atheism is flawed. For the record, I'm agnostic.


Excellent, I like your thinking. However I suppose one could argue that compulsory praying in school or so I have heard shouldn't really be in public schools. Especially in places like america. It's suppose secular right, schools (public ones) are government run and thus should be separate. If it is optional, than yeah thats ok but when one is forced to do things like praying it is both hipocritical and wrong. It does happen.



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21 Aug 2008, 7:56 pm

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No ... he who lives by the sword gets shot by those with more advanced technology.

And he who lives by more advanced technology also gets shot by more advanced technology :P

... until eventually everyone dies.

To Quote Einstein
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."


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21 Aug 2008, 7:56 pm

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Theism is flawed. Atheism is flawed. For the record, I'm agnostic.

Excellent, I like your thinking. However I suppose one could argue that compulsory praying in school or so I have heard shouldn't really be in public schools. Especially in places like america. It's suppose secular right, schools (public ones) are government run and thus should be separate. If it is optional, than yeah thats ok but when one is forced to do things like praying it is both hipocritical and wrong. It does happen.

As long as there will be pop quizzes, final examinations, and report cards, there will be prayer in public schools.



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21 Aug 2008, 7:58 pm

Betterclassed wrote:
Excellent, I like your thinking. However I suppose one could argue that compulsory praying in school or so I have heard shouldn't really be in public schools. Especially in places like america. It's suppose secular right, schools (public ones) are government run and thus should be separate. If it is optional, than yeah thats ok but when one is forced to do things like praying it is both hipocritical and wrong. It does happen.

AFAIK, that does not happen in public schools in the US. I have never heard of required prayer at public schools. It did occur in the past, but there have been enough lawsuits that it doesn't anymore.


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21 Aug 2008, 7:59 pm

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Betterclassed wrote:
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Theism is flawed. Atheism is flawed. For the record, I'm agnostic.

Excellent, I like your thinking. However I suppose one could argue that compulsory praying in school or so I have heard shouldn't really be in public schools. Especially in places like america. It's suppose secular right, schools (public ones) are government run and thus should be separate. If it is optional, than yeah thats ok but when one is forced to do things like praying it is both hipocritical and wrong. It does happen.

As long as there will be pop quizzes, final examinations, and report cards, there will be prayer in public schools.


Assuming that you believe in that sort of thing.



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21 Aug 2008, 8:01 pm

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As long as there will be pop quizzes, final examinations, and report cards, there will be prayer in public schools.


Assuming that you believe in that sort of thing.

I keep hearing arguments from people who don't believe in tests and grades, but wouldn't that sort of nonsense be better discussed in School and College Life?


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21 Aug 2008, 8:01 pm

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Seriously, some people need lives, and would do well to stop generalising religion as bad. Every other thread seems to be about devout atheists taking religion literally. Dogmatic, fanatical atheists suck, and they let the more rational moderate atheists and agnostics down. By condemning religion at every turn, and simply believing everything that condemns religion, you are blinding yourself. Maybe some morons should try to be tolerant, and not act like they know the answer to everything. Instead of ranting on about how religion is the source of all the world's problems, perhaps the individuals in question - yes, you all know who you are - should study the world and social systems more, and make their own personal opinions, not believe everything that they are spoon fed, by any form of media or social group.
"Atheism seems cool and radical, so I'm going to become an atheist!!" Same applies to "new age" religions and philosophies. As teenagers, we are too susceptible to these things. That said, it's natural for young people to experiment. Just don't expect things to change just like that unless you are prepared to take radical action. Look at the 1950s-80s to see what I mean.
You aren't going to change religious beliefs by quoting scriptures literally, or by rabidly attacking theists. It doesn't work that way. You can't just say that "God does not exist!! !!", it just alienates people. Learn some respect and understanding. =)
Theism is flawed. Atheism is flawed. For the record, I'm agnostic.


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21 Aug 2008, 8:30 pm

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As long as there will be pop quizzes, final examinations, and report cards, there will be prayer in public schools.


Assuming that you believe in that sort of thing.

I keep hearing arguments from people who don't believe in tests and grades, but wouldn't that sort of nonsense be better discussed in School and College Life?


I was talking about the prayer and faith.



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21 Aug 2008, 8:36 pm

Fnord, you are the biggest hypocrite ever. You should re-read your own posts. No one does more judging and dividing than you.



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21 Aug 2008, 8:45 pm

Betterclassed wrote:
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As long as there will be pop quizzes, final examinations, and report cards, there will be prayer in public schools.


Assuming that you believe in that sort of thing.

I keep hearing arguments from people who don't believe in tests and grades, but wouldn't that sort of nonsense be better discussed in School and College Life?


I was talking about the prayer and faith.

I know, I was just being sarcastic.


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21 Aug 2008, 9:34 pm

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and the whole misperception of agnosticism is why i just don't bother and just go along with the title of atheist.


People get even more confused when you bring in the terms "agnostic-atheist" and "agnostic-theist." It baffles me how some people can't understand what they mean...



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21 Aug 2008, 9:48 pm

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The atheist crusades must stop!


What? They haven't even started yet :lol:

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Seriously, some people need lives, and would do well to stop generalising religion as bad.


Seeing as no one wants to quote whole essays every time one speaks, generalizing is going to happen. It is easier and less time consuming to point at the good or bad, and leave out all the neutral. And seriously, religion needs a counter movement, it's been marching on its war path unopposed(Against the "children of Satan" = Generalizing all those people they don't like and choose to demonize) far to long.


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Every other thread seems to be about devout atheists taking religion literally.


You mean the religious don't literally believe in God or take their beliefs seriously? It's all a great big joke to them eh.... that's some food for thought.

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Dogmatic, fanatical ...


Fanatical anything/anyone sucks. Fanatic loonies the lot of them.

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Maybe some morons should try to be tolerant...


Show us the way, oh great Tolerant one. :roll:

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Learn some respect and understanding. =)


It seems you could use a lesson.


And A+ post Fnord!


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21 Aug 2008, 10:13 pm

I'm not agnostic; I definitely do not believe in the existence of any gods or goddesses; but I am generally live-and-let-live about religion (unless they're using it to detrimentally affect policy). However, I do find the more dogmatic atheists annoying, so I prefer to say I am nonreligious and be done with it.

I think the anti-religious crusafe (ironic term) has to do with recently awakening to atheism and wanting to spread it as part of one's new identity, much as recent converts to Christianity want to spread their joy by proselytizing.



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21 Aug 2008, 10:21 pm

I am finding this thread very interesting.



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21 Aug 2008, 10:30 pm

When TV is consistently boring and it's raining outside and there's nothing on the shelf but a can of beans the only way to have fun is to poke a stick at people who are passionate believers in total nonsense with absolutely no supporting evidence but some bits of insane obsolete literature and a desire to live forever. That they demand respect for this amusing madness only adds to the fun.