do we deserve to perish in a nuclear holocaust?

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Does there exist a function where:

0 = 1
AND
1 = 1

Um no

Obviously no. How can a species, a planet, be deserving of this?

Well it looks like we really want it for ourselves

I take it that's a photograph from the Holocaust, but this is a non sequitur.

The Dresden bombing actually.

But history suggests that we really want to get rid of ourselves once and for all. We simply need a third party to carry out the deed since we're too scared to do it ourselves.

I still don't know what you're talking about. Maybe you have some bizarre urge to die in some blaze of self-condemning nuclear fire, but I don't think most people do. I certainly don't, and I don't see how mentioning wars proves your point. To me, the destruction and warefare is only evidence that there are some greedy, hateful people in the world who have had too much power.

Everyone dies, it is inevitable. How you die is not known.

Hint: Why do you think I'm interested in Lisp?



Most of the rest are complacent and/or indifferent, which is just as bad

Anyway, the greedy and hateful will always hold all of the real power in the world, so the will of the majority you referenced earlier will not be recognized in the long run anyway.

you should change your name to ozymandias.

Never read Watchmen

No reason for the many to be punished for the bad doings of a few. Besides, what a waste of sentient life! I'd think our purpose is for much more than getting blown up, even if it's only a small number of people who ever do something truly magnificent. You could probably say that most people, beside genocidal dictators and corrupt corporate executives and child molesters and a few other unsavory types, achieve something magnificent in a way sometime in their lives.

I'm sick of the eco-freak argument that humanity is evil and rotten and needs to go. It completely misses the fact that, for all of humanity's flaws, it's also the only species that is able to recognize those flaws, recognize them to be bad, and perhaps deal with them. Slowly, yes, but it happens. No other species, given dominance of the planet, would do the same. I'm sorry, but the idea that somehow if only animals were in charge they'd be loving and respectful and wonderful to every living thing and the planet is complete bullcrap. Humans are the only beings, at least to my knowledge, with a conscience, and the genius and ability, to make progress from one era to the next. We might make mistakes, but we, unlike any other creature, have the power to fix them and make amends. For this reason alone, even if we didn't have a larger purpose, it can't be said that every living person deserves to die.

This thread reminds me of the Quantum-Bomb controversy on a movie I watched a few weeks ago.

You have a strange definition of 'few'.



You have a strange definition of 'sentient'.



They can go too. I'm not an 'eco freak' per se; we're marginally better than the rest of the animal kingdom. I am however an efficiency freak and it so happens that we will eventually impede progress, so we need to be scrapped at some point.



We also rarely use it.

It's the same shit, year in, year out.

Well, now we get into some weird moral issue, as the problem is "how can something deserve X?" and to be honest, I don't know how that works, but the fact is that it does.


Ok, well, I think I've already argued that it is true that all human beings deserve to be destroyed in a nuclear holocaust.


I tend to think it is a good thing to get rid of defective material.

You would think that, but then you'd be wrong. You could also say that, but you'd still be wrong.


Who cares about mother nature? Have you ever thought about what a nuclear holocaust will do to the earth? Not a lot of good.

Well, yes, we can perhaps, maybe deal with them in a theoretical sense.... actual sense, no.


So? Have you seen those other species? They're cool! We just suck. You could say that last part, but you'd be wrong.

No, absolutely not!! Bio-weapons, perhaps, but not nuclear weapontry! Let the lucky ones who will tolerate the virus, bacteria, etc. inherit the earth after 99.9% of the morons disappear. I don't want to see such a beautiful planet go to waste.