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07 Sep 2008, 4:57 pm

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Actually if you decided to read the original post in this thread I stated clearly that there is no proof of facts here.. only opinion..

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if you have proof that they DONT exist then please come forward,

LOL

you're ret*d.. you're taking something out of context at your own whim. She's the one who called me an idiot, and that is why i said that. Get out of my thread please.

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07 Sep 2008, 4:59 pm

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Shawn, can you recall the quote where one of the Rockefellers (may have been John, not sure though...) admitted openly to the 'new world order' being their aim??

That doesn't mean there are really Illuminati. Only people with too much power pulling strings behind the scenes, which is really unsurprising.

I don't think there is an Illuminati as such; to me that's more a catch-phrase to describe the power-families without having to run through all the different families and factions. It's far easier to say 'the illuminati' than to run through everything - and everyone knows toughly what you're talking about if you say 'illuminati'. So for ease of description it's a term to use more than anything else.

And Shawn, not the quote I was thinking of, there's another one where he was in a press conference and specifically mentioned a new world order - this was before the days of chipping and anything else; it was just a reference to the NWO. I know it was in a magazine I had but I've just done a clear-out and it's now at the recycling plant unfortunately or I'd look it up!

Theres lots of videos where George Bush Senior talked about the New World Order, and every other man wealth or presidency since then has talked about a world union just didn't say it quite like Bush Snr. because people are a lot more aware of the 'conspiracy'.. I dont know specifically about the Rockefeller one though

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07 Sep 2008, 5:00 pm

ShawnWilliam wrote:

chever wrote:

ShawnWilliam wrote:

Actually if you decided to read the original post in this thread I stated clearly that there is no proof of facts here.. only opinion..

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if you have proof that they DONT exist then please come forward,

LOL

you're ret*d.. you're taking something out of context at your own whim. She's the one who called me an idiot, and that is why i said that. Get out of my thread please.

No.

You said there is no 'proof' in this thread, after telling me to prove a negative (which is itself a major logical fallacy).

You contradicted yourself.

End of story.

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07 Sep 2008, 5:01 pm

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In that case 'Illuminati' is a very, very confusing term.

I think she's trying to take the edge off of the term because when people like you hear the word the first thing that comes to mind is conspiracy loon and all credibility is lost.. which i respect.. but what they are is the illuminati and that term is not used by them even to describe themselves, not since the 1700's when their plans for world domination were discovered and after that they had to go underground, and one of the first occults they formed was the FreeMasons

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07 Sep 2008, 5:02 pm

chever wrote:

ShawnWilliam wrote:

chever wrote:

ShawnWilliam wrote:

Actually if you decided to read the original post in this thread I stated clearly that there is no proof of facts here.. only opinion..

ShawnWilliam wrote:

if you have proof that they DONT exist then please come forward,

LOL

you're ret*d.. you're taking something out of context at your own whim. She's the one who called me an idiot, and that is why i said that. Get out of my thread please.

No.

You said there is no 'proof' in this thread, after telling me to prove a negative (which is itself a major logical fallacy).

You contradicted yourself.

End of story.

Oh it's always that simple with you, you get the last word, end of story.. Get out of my thread..?

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07 Sep 2008, 5:03 pm

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My paternal grandfather was a Mason

BOO!

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Oh it's always that simple with you, you get the last word, end of story.. Get out of my thread..?

I see you're sidestepping the fact that you contradicted yourself.

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07 Sep 2008, 5:04 pm

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My paternal grandfather was a Mason

BOO!

The people on the bottom are not illuminati, it's only the ones at the top, 29 degrees and above I believe it is. Once they ask you to spit on the cross of Christ

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07 Sep 2008, 5:05 pm

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I see you're sidestepping the fact that you contradicted yourself.

Nope I didn't contradict myself. Seriously leave, I would like to talk to people with civilized discussion, not offensive debating..

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07 Sep 2008, 5:08 pm

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The people on the bottom are not illuminati, it's only the ones at the top, 29 degrees and above I believe it is. Once they ask you to spit on the cross of Christ

BA HA HA HA HA

By the way, Jews have horns, too

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Nope I didn't contradict myself. Seriously leave, I would like to talk to people with civilized discussion, not offensive debating..

Saying that there is no proof required in this thread (pretty obvious given your standards) and then demanding that I prove a negative is not only hypocritical but fallacious.

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07 Sep 2008, 5:09 pm

you're racist.. :roll: seriously you should be banned from this forum because you're nothing bt a nuesance

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07 Sep 2008, 5:11 pm

chever wrote:

ShawnWilliam wrote:

The people on the bottom are not illuminati, it's only the ones at the top, 29 degrees and above I believe it is. Once they ask you to spit on the cross of Christ

BA HA HA HA HA

By the way, Jews have horns, too

ShawnWilliam wrote:

Nope I didn't contradict myself. Seriously leave, I would like to talk to people with civilized discussion, not offensive debating..

Saying that there is no proof required in this thread (pretty obvious given your standards) and then demanding that I prove a negative is not only hypocritical but fallacious.

when teh hell did i demand that you prove something?.. that was towards the other person for calling me an idiot for believing something.. it's pretty obvious what the rules are here, and i dont see you people following them.. you people being the insulting and offensive ones.. mm, mostly just you

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07 Sep 2008, 5:13 pm

ShawnWilliam wrote:

Yes, but it is only a metaphor, which is not proof of anything. Talking about a New World Order is more optimistic than saying "the current state of affairs" or "tommorrow the world will be in the same pile of s**t that it is today" - it can be taken to mean aspirations of a future where the rule of law replaces brute force in international affairs, where increased trade increases the quality of life of billions of people, where international cooperation means the erradication of polio and other diseases. It does not prove any conspiracy!!

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07 Sep 2008, 5:14 pm

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you're racist.. :roll:

You don't understand sarcasm

My point was that saying that the Freemasons are made to spit on the cross is like saying that Jews have horns ... they're both equally silly statements

Good God, learn to read already

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07 Sep 2008, 5:16 pm

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you're racist.. :roll:

accept only yours is silly and mine is non-fictional :roll:

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07 Sep 2008, 5:18 pm

monty wrote:

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Yes, but it is only a metaphor, which is not proof of anything. It is more optimistic than saying "the current state of affairs" or "tommorrow the world will be in the same pile of sh** that it is today" - it can be taken to mean aspirations of a future where the rule of law replaces brute force in international affairs, where increased trade increases the quality of life of billions of people, where international cooperation means the erradication of polio and other diseases. It does not prove any conspiracy!!

I didn't say it proves it did I?.. it certainly is straight forward evidence though.. and he doesnt talk about New World Order as a concept he says A New World Order as one entity..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g

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07 Sep 2008, 5:19 pm

A YouTube video!!

Well, I sure am convinced

After all, if the New World Order were supposed to be under wraps, George Bush, Sr. would obviously come out and publicly announce this insidious plan

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