09 Sep 2008, 12:46 pm
greenblue wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
She does not only have a right, but a duty to abort.
Right!
But what if it's a planned pregnancy? Not all pregnancies are unwanted!
This is madness.
09 Sep 2008, 1:06 pm
Abortion might lead to the death of responsibility. I'm not talking about rape or pills or broken condoms here, I'm talking about responsibility. Where does the buck actually stop?
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09 Sep 2008, 1:17 pm
slowmutant wrote:
Abortion might lead to the death of responsibility. I'm not talking about rape or pills or broken condoms here, I'm talking about responsibility. Where does the buck actually stop?
Knowing the stigma on abortion and the costs of it, plus the physical discomfort going with it, I really doubt any woman would take such decisions overnight. So I would not worry about people behaving irresponsable with the idea "if I get pregnant I can always abort". That is nonsense really if you know the unpleasant sides of such a medical procedure. I believe that the overwhelming of women choosing to abort have thought about this in depth before making the decision, and regardless if it is because they feel like not having a baby or weither it is because of rape or whatever, we habe to respect their decision. The one out of a thousand who may make such decisions overnight is not changing the fact that existance of responsability is not going to depend on weither a woman aborts or not. I am quite sure of the opposite, that the overwhelming majority of woman make very long analyses before making such a serious decision.
09 Sep 2008, 1:23 pm
slowmutant wrote:
Abortion might lead to the death of responsibility. I'm not talking about rape or pills or broken condoms here, I'm talking about responsibility. Where does the buck actually stop?
Let's talk about responsibility, including education, self control, and planning. A 43 year old woman decides to have her fifth child, when the risk of giving birth to someone with Down's syndrome is approaching 1 in 30! ! Is she a great role a model for not aborting, or is she an example of someone who is reckless for getting into that situation in the first place? I recognize that getting pregnant at an advanced age and deciding to carry the child is entirely her choice - but I am not inclined to believe she got into that position by making wise decisions, and I sure don't want her telling my family how we should live our lives.
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09 Sep 2008, 1:27 pm
crackedpleasures wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Abortion might lead to the death of responsibility. I'm not talking about rape or pills or broken condoms here, I'm talking about responsibility. Where does the buck actually stop?
Knowing the stigma on abortion and the costs of it, plus the physical discomfort going with it, I really doubt any woman would take such decisions overnight. So I would not worry about people behaving irresponsable with the idea "if I get pregnant I can always abort". That is nonsense really if you know the unpleasant sides of such a medical procedure. I believe that the overwhelming of women choosing to abort have thought about this in depth before making the decision, and regardless if it is because they feel like not having a baby or weither it is because of rape or whatever, we habe to respect their decision. The one out of a thousand who may make such decisions overnight is not changing the fact that existance of responsability is not going to depend on weither a woman aborts or not. I am quite sure of the opposite, that the overwhelming majority of woman make very long analyses before making such a serious decision.
This all hinges on the moral character of the woman in question, doesn't it? Some women may not treat their situation with the seriiousness it deserves.
If it were the duty of all women to abort, none of us would be here. Duh.
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09 Sep 2008, 1:42 pm
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09 Sep 2008, 1:42 pm
slowmutant wrote:
crackedpleasures wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Abortion might lead to the death of responsibility. I'm not talking about rape or pills or broken condoms here, I'm talking about responsibility. Where does the buck actually stop?
Knowing the stigma on abortion and the costs of it, plus the physical discomfort going with it, I really doubt any woman would take such decisions overnight. So I would not worry about people behaving irresponsable with the idea "if I get pregnant I can always abort". That is nonsense really if you know the unpleasant sides of such a medical procedure. I believe that the overwhelming of women choosing to abort have thought about this in depth before making the decision, and regardless if it is because they feel like not having a baby or weither it is because of rape or whatever, we habe to respect their decision. The one out of a thousand who may make such decisions overnight is not changing the fact that existance of responsability is not going to depend on weither a woman aborts or not. I am quite sure of the opposite, that the overwhelming majority of woman make very long analyses before making such a serious decision.
This all hinges on the moral character of the woman in question, doesn't it? Some women may not treat their situation with the seriiousness it deserves.
If it were the duty of all women to abort, none of us would be here. Duh.
Decisions like this are very serious and I doubt the number of women who take these decisions overnight are more than 0,01% of the females who opt for abortion. I am very sure the overwhelming majority of women give these choices the serious thoughts they require and will make a decision only after a very detailed comparison of all positives and negatives. Apart from the very very few exceptions I doubt anyone could take such decisions just randomly, so I would not worry about allowing abortions to sort of erase morals and responsability.
Also, I do think not keeping the child if you dont feel ready for it, is a lot more responsable than keeping the child. What is the point of having the life of a young woman ruined, and seeing a child come into this world without loving parents to look after him? That is two lives ruined, while you could avoid this by an abortion long before the child is close to being a developed human being.
09 Sep 2008, 1:43 pm
09 Sep 2008, 2:56 pm
slowmutant wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
She does not only have a right, but a duty to abort.
Right!
But what if it's a planned pregnancy? Not all pregnancies are unwanted!
This is madness.
No... this is PPR!
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