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16 Sep 2008, 2:54 pm

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This is just an example of an anarchist leader.

Nestor Makhno in 1909

Nestor Makhno was born into a poor peasant family in Hulyai Pole, Yekaterioslav Governorate in Novorossiya region of Russian Empire (now Zaporizhia Oblast, Ukraine).[4][5] He was the youngest of five children. Church files show a birthdate of October 27, 1888, but Nestor Makhno's parents registered his date of birth as 1889 (possibly in an attempt to postpone conscription, or a later attempt to avoid execution after his arrest in 1910 for belonging to the anarchist group and for robberies).

His father died when he was ten months old.[6] Due to extreme poverty, he had to work as a shepherd at the age of seven.[6] He studied at the Second Hulyai Pole primary school in winter at the age of eight and worked for local landlords during the summer.[6] He left school at the age of twelve and employed as a farmhand on the estates of nobles and on the farms of wealthy peasants called kulaks.[6]

At the age of seventeen, he was employed in Hulyai Pole itself as an apprentice painter, then as a worker in a local iron foundry and, ultimately worked as a founder in the same organization.[6] During this time he became involved in revolutionary politics.[6] His involvement in revolutionary politics was based on his experiences of injustice at work and seeing the terror of the Tsarist regime during the 1905.[6] In 1906, Makhno joined the anarchist organization in Hulyai Pole.[4] He was arrested in 1906, tried, and acquitted. He was again arrested in 1907, but Makhno could not be incriminated, and the charges were dropped.[6] The third arrest came in 1908, when an infiltrator was able to testify against Makhno.[6] In 1910 Makhno was sentenced to death by hanging, but the sentence was commuted to life imprisonment and he was sent to Butyrskaya prison in Moscow.[6] In prison he came under the influence of intellectual cell mate Piotr Arshinov.[6][7][8] He was released from prison after the February Revolution in 1917.[7]

[edit] Organizing peasants' movement

After liberation from prison, Makhno organized a peasants' union.[8] It gave him a "Robin Hood" image and he expropriated large estates from landowners and distributed the land among the peasants.[8]


Wow, that is a very obscure reference. But I'll take your word for it.



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16 Sep 2008, 2:57 pm

I agree with chever.

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
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If people were better behaved and needed less supervision, minarchy might work. But as it is, people are essentially overgrown ADD children in need of a nanny.

Yeah, the major issue is that ADD children watching over ADD children is hardly a nanny, and perhaps an even greater level of child abuse.

The blind leading the blind... it will be a problem so long as we have people ruling over people. We need to invest more in AI research so the machines can get on with their revolution already. Then we'll have competent leadership. :P


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16 Sep 2008, 3:07 pm

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We need to invest more in AI research so the machines can get on with their revolution already. Then we'll have competent leadership. :P


You're joking, right? You seriously believe that handing ourselves over to AI machines is the solution to everything?

Obviously you haven't seen The Matrix or the Terminator trilogy.



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16 Sep 2008, 3:09 pm

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We need to invest more in AI research so the machines can get on with their revolution already. Then we'll have competent leadership. :P


You're joking, right? You seriously believe that handing ourselves over to AI machines is the solution to everything?

Obviously you haven't seen The Matrix or the Terminator trilogy.

Yes, my comment was in jest, as the :P was meant to imply. I actually was largely trying to point out that the problem you and AG were moaning about can't be resolved in any reasonable manner, so why bother bickering over it?


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16 Sep 2008, 3:10 pm

Why indeed.



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16 Sep 2008, 3:36 pm

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The blind leading the blind... it will be a problem so long as we have people ruling over people. We need to invest more in AI research so the machines can get on with their revolution already. Then we'll have competent leadership. :P

Most likely, yes :P

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Obviously you haven't seen The Matrix or the Terminator trilogy.

I have and that is why I would support it ;)


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16 Sep 2008, 3:37 pm

live in peace. die in vain.



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16 Sep 2008, 4:07 pm

slowmutant wrote:
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We need to invest more in AI research so the machines can get on with their revolution already. Then we'll have competent leadership. :P


You're joking, right? You seriously believe that handing ourselves over to AI machines is the solution to everything?

Obviously you haven't seen The Matrix or the Terminator trilogy.


"It was only when the infiltrators started to appear. The Terminators were the newest ... the worst."


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16 Sep 2008, 4:32 pm

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live in peace. die in vain.


What kind of a crackpot are you?



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16 Sep 2008, 4:33 pm

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live in peace. die in vain.


What kind of a crackpot are you?


the kind with hate for people such as you.



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16 Sep 2008, 4:37 pm

ShawnWilliam wrote:
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live in peace. die in vain.


What kind of a crackpot are you?


the kind with hate for people such as you.


Why do you hate people such as me? Is it envy for not hearing the scary voices all the time? Do you hate us for not being afraid all the time? The peace of mind we must enjoy due to lack of schizophrenia?



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16 Sep 2008, 4:46 pm

slowmutant wrote:
ShawnWilliam wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
ShawnWilliam wrote:
live in peace. die in vain.


What kind of a crackpot are you?


the kind with hate for people such as you.


Why do you hate people such as me? Is it envy for not hearing the scary voices all the time? Do you hate us for not being afraid all the time? The peace of mind we must enjoy due to lack of schizophrenia?


you're a phony trying to be like everyone else by making fun of me, and you have no backbone and you reduce yourself to the scum of the world.. please don't flatter yourself for putting yourself in the same league as 'them', you believe in a god that may not exist, making you just as crazy as me. But do go ahead and presume to insult me for no apparent reason other than to make yourself seem superior. Whatever helps you sleep at night.



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16 Sep 2008, 5:48 pm

:silent:



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16 Sep 2008, 6:40 pm

This is what the BBC News.. had to say about making.. new laws today..

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In his speech, he said the crime debate "was totally removed from reality" and accused Labour of creating 3,600 new offences since 1997 - a form of "legislative diarrhoea" - rather than enforcing existing laws.

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And on hearing this.. God said..

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"Woe to those who are enacting harmful regulations and those who, constantly writing, have written out sheer trouble, in order to push away the lowly ones from a legal case and to wrest away justice from the afflicted ones of my people, for the widows to become their spoil, and that they may plunder even the fatherless boys!"

Isaiah 10:1


Isn't this a Christian belief.. ?

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16 Sep 2008, 6:46 pm

I don't understand what you're trying to say.



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16 Sep 2008, 6:47 pm

Wouldn't the Word of God predate whatever laws humans make?