Religion bashing

Page 3 of 17 [ 266 posts ] Go to page Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ... 17 Next

Previous topic | Next topic

AutisticMalcontent
Velociraptor

Joined: 29 May 2008
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Posts: 459

04 Oct 2008, 4:23 pm

stephaniecatherine wrote:

i'm not worried.

stephaniecatherine wrote:

i find christians speaking the "word of god" to me to be offensive and disrespectful even if they say it is what they have to do..... they never seem to hear me politely telling them i'm not interested...they're like car salesmen or military recruiters......why won't they just leave me alone when i ask!? it's so aggravating and disrespectful...it makes me feel violated.

Why do they preach to you? They preach to you because they want you to be saved from damnation in Hell. Jesus said to his disciples "Go and make disciples of ALL nations in the name of the Father". God/Jesus doesn't want anyone to go to Hell, He wants EVERYONE to join Him in Heaven. We are God's beloved creations, and it saddens Him when He sees his own creation rejecting Him. Don't be decieved, Hell is a real place, filled with fire and brimestone, it is NOT a state of mind, but a place where those who reject God or sent and isolated from Him forever. It says somewhere in the Bible that Jesus did not come to Earth to condemn it, but to save as many people as possible through His sacrifice.

I forget where this was in the Bible, but there was an occurence that makes a lot of senses. Jesus was eating at a table of sinners- tax collectors, prostitutes, thieves, the kind of people society condemns and hates. The Pharisees (a very strict religious group who hated Jesus and stuck to old Jewish laws), seeing this, said to each other, "Look at him, he is eating with sinners, look how he mocks God!". One of the Pharisees, trying to trick Jesus into admitting a sinful action, went up to Jesus and asked Him "Why do you eat with sinners?". Jesus said to him "Tell me, do you send a doctor to a man who has no illness and is feeling well?". The Pharisee said "No". Jesus then said "A doctor is needed for those who are ill, not for those who are well. I have come so that sinners may be forgiven and healed, not to cure those who already believe in Me." Whether you believe in God or not, that is your choice, but it is the duty of a Christian to present the Bible to others so they may or may not accept it. We aren't forcing you to believe, but we give you the oppurtunity to.

stephaniecatherine wrote:

i also know that not all christians are dumb, nor do all of them go out trying to openly convert the heathens...but instead keep quietly and respectfully to themselves....i'm ok with them because even if they aren't ok with me...they don't go out and insult me by saying they will pray for me and by quoting me scriptures.....

Like I stated before, God doesn't want ANYONE to go to Hell for rejecting Him, that is why we Christians preach the Word of God, so that those who might listen can listen. The story I listed above is the very reason God sent His own Son to be sacrificied for all our sins, that we all might have the chance to be saved. If I hypothetically told you that I had a million dollars (and if I really did have a million dollars and you knew I did) and I would give it all to you with no strings attached, would you accept that offer? If you would accept that offer, why does an offer for eternal salvation in Heaven seem so impossible? It only takes accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and living according to His teachings to do this, no strings attached. No matter what sins you have commited on this Earth, if you accept God, He will forgive them all. Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Attila the Hun, Jack the Ripper, Charles Manson, Timothy McVeigh, Jeffrey Dahmer, Al Capone, Ted Bundy, these men are some of the most evil and infamous men in history. But I swear to you that if they HONESTLY asked God forgiveness of their sins and accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and abandoned their evil ways, they could have gone to Heaven. The greatest sin you can commit is denying God, denying His existance, and living solely for yourself. As long as we live, there is a chance at salvation, the offer ONLY expires after you're dead and its too late.

stephaniecatherine wrote:

and then whenever i see people on message boards write reasonable posts that don't criticize an entire group with generalizations, but are still, personally, not in favor of christianity....they almost always, without fail, get prayers and more bible quotes as responses...even if they state how offensive they find this behavior to be..i'm expecting that, please prove me wrong..

Once again I answered that question above.

and what about when christians, "hate, avoid, insult and slander"?

they do that quite a bit...as i have stated (and which i base on many experiences with these types) ...how many people do they need to convert in order to repent for that? or does god not mind if you are hating, avoiding, insulting and slandering because you are doing it to someone who isn't acting the way he would like by not allowing you to convert them? ...i'm confused..christians come across as hypocrits because they say we're all equal, 'judge not les ye be judged' and then get up on their soap box to condemn those who don't give into christianity ..saying that they too should live in fear of the wrath of god...it's just a little bit asinine..

:shrug:

Christians who, as you said, ""hate, avoid, insult and slander" are not living according to God because God said Christians will be known by their love. Christians believe so strongly in their faith that they get irritated that very few people believe in what they do, they see people living immorally and they want to condemn it because they know God doesn't approve of the said behavior. But God warns us not to judge other people, just as you said "Judge not lest you yourself be judged". It is HUMAN NATURE to condemn and to judge, it is God's nature to forgive and to love. Don't think for a second that God will take a Christian who judges other people on purpose lightly, He is an impartial judge and He judges us based on what we say and do. In this entire response, I have not said once "You are a piece of atheistic scum that is going to Hell for not believing God" (I said that just now, but I'm saying I didn't say that to you as an example). We are all subject to God's scrunity, Christian or Non-Christian alike. As it says in Revelations:

"And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and the books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. The dead were judged according to what they have done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done".

When you die, you are initially judged and either sent to Heaven or to Hell based on whether you believed in Jesus Christ and whether you lived according to what He preached. But when the Last Judgement occurs, everyone will be rejudged again. The results of the previous judgement will be the same, but this judgement is final. Death will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, and those who did not believe in God will burn in the Lake of Fire for eternity, which is the second death.

I go through great pains to express my belief, because I hope that you, and any other atheists or doubters in Christianity, will come around to God/Jesus and believe in Him and act according to His Word. Like I said, God doesn't want ANYONE to burn in Hell, He wants everyone to believe in Him. Don't think that you are beyond God's forgiveness, everyone has an equal chance at salvation. It is up to YOU to make the decision, once you're dead, there is no going back.

Phagocyte
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 15 Oct 2007
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,757

04 Oct 2008, 4:50 pm

AutisticMalcontent wrote:

When you die, you are initially judged and either sent to Heaven or to Hell based on whether you believed in Jesus Christ and whether you lived according to what He preached. But when the Last Judgement occurs, everyone will be rejudged again. The results of the previous judgement will be the same, but this judgement is final. Death will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, and those who did not believe in God will burn in the Lake of Fire for eternity, which is the second death.

I go through great pains to express my belief, because I hope that you, and any other atheists or doubters in Christianity, will come around to God/Jesus and believe in Him and act according to His Word. Like I said, God doesn't want ANYONE to burn in Hell, He wants everyone to believe in Him. Don't think that you are beyond God's forgiveness, everyone has an equal chance at salvation. It is up to YOU to make the decision, once you're dead, there is no going back.

I respect you beliefs, but malice from nonbelievers is often not completely unprecedented. I know you intend no ill feelings with your words, but often times when non-Christians are not only blatantly told that they are wrong, but informed that they will be punished for eternity by a god "who loves them," they will respond with either irritation, amusement, or offense.

I'm not turning my back on anything, and if I am given a compelling enough reason to believe something I most certainly will. However, my beliefs as an agnostic were born from the very sense of rationality and logic that God gave me, so if when I die I realize that I was wrong, I will give God quite an interesting conversation when I appear before him for judgement.

_________________
Un-ban Chever! Viva La Revolucion!

z0rp
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Jan 2008
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 747
Location: New York, USA

04 Oct 2008, 5:07 pm

I bash religion not because it's 'evil', it's stupid. Also the main thing I wanted to get out of this thread is another point. Criticism of Atheism is forbidden? Wow. Ok guys, no ones holding you back, we're not going to threaten you all or request the thread/post be deleted, it's just none of you have posted any criticism from what I see. Which from what I can tell it'd be kind of hard to do such a thing, Atheists don't have a book full of ridiculous claims and fallacies that you can point out the lack of logic or immorality in. If you're going to criticize Atheism you need to criticize the lack of belief in God, and how that's worth criticizing I have no idea. There's nothing backing up the God hypothesis so why accept it? If you can figure out how to criticize disbelief in God tell me so I can criticize those who deny Zeus or many of the other gods you deny. :lol:

AutisticMalcontent
Velociraptor

Joined: 29 May 2008
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Posts: 459

04 Oct 2008, 5:14 pm

Phagocyte wrote:

AutisticMalcontent wrote:

Phagocyte,

You are entitled to your beliefs, God gave us that ability when we were created. Yes, I know a lot of non Christians get annoyed and angry because we Christians say they are wrong, and in a sense that they are going to Hell if they refuse to believe in Jesus/God. But that's the thing, you all still have time left to be saved, because you're still alive, none of you are devoid of redemption or salvation as long as you live, but once you die, like a video game, it is "GAME OVER", no second chances, no putting 1-2 quarters in an arcade machine slot and trying again. So I'm basically telling you that you CAN be saved from damnation, I am not condemning atheists, I'm basically you all that you have a great oppurtunity and it would be extremely wise to invest in it. It is the ONLY long term investment that NEVER goes away, it lasts forever.

My friend, if you die, and you realize that you were wrong all along, I don't think you'll be in such an amusing mood and I don't think God will be either. Knowing that you're going to a place of eternal torment and suffering if nothing to take lightly nor laugh about, and when it is judgement time, God is going to list all the bad and good things you do, and He will do it with a serious face. God has a sense of humor, I have no doubt, but deciding whether someone goes to Heaven or Hell is no laughing matter to Him, that I can assure you. But I will pray that you find God, that I will do.

stephaniecatherine
Sea Gull

Joined: 3 Aug 2008
Age: 40
Gender: Female
Posts: 248
Location: Ministry of Silly Walks

04 Oct 2008, 5:28 pm

AutisticMalcontent wrote:

I go through great pains to express my belief, because I hope that you, and any other atheists or doubters in Christianity, will come around to God/Jesus and believe in Him and act according to His Word. Like I said, God doesn't want ANYONE to burn in Hell, He wants everyone to believe in Him. Don't think that you are beyond God's forgiveness, everyone has an equal chance at salvation. It is up to YOU to make the decision, once you're dead, there is no going back.

yeah yeah...christians preach to you and try to convert you because they "love" you and all that and so that those who might listen will have the chance...but then, like i said, why do they not stop talking to you once you tell them that you are not one of those who is listening!!?

cry for me if you want. i will not go to hell. i will not be thrown into the lake of fire. honestly, whenever people talk about christianity so seriously it stuns me...not to mention it is condescending.

and if all those serial/mass murderer, etc. are in heaven...then i wouldn't want an invitation anyhow.

and you're right...once I'm dead, there is no going back. not that i don't believe something else might happen after death, just nothing involved with all powerful lords, pitchforks and angels..it just isn't going to happen. see? you purport your beliefs as truth, as will i. which is fine and ok, just don't expect me to enjoy being told that i am wrong and that i should, or that you hope for my soul's sake i will, believe in what you say is true. i have not once said out rightly that you are wrong and proceeded to threaten you with a horrible afterlife if you didn't come over to my way of belief. i don't hand out pamphlets and try to make people lose their faith, but that would be the same thing. i could say that i am doing it because i love you and don't want you to live a life believing in something born from hatred and controlled by a mythical, jealous god. but i won't do that...it is not my place to try and convert people and i don't wish people to believe in anything but what they deem is right for them. i'm not willing to use excuses for myself to try and make myself feel better about directly offending people, to their face, down my nose.

if i started a post about what i believe in i assure you there would be christians scowling at me from all directions and not being quite as respectful as some of the non-christian responders in this thread have tried to be. you don't think it is offensive to pass around your beliefs as absolute truth to those who disagree- and talk down to Non-Believers with what christians believe to be a full-proof excuse that you "love them and want them to be saved" ...but it is in bad taste to do so.....

Haliphron
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 28 Jan 2008
Age: 44
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,980

04 Oct 2008, 5:34 pm

Quote:

My friend, if you die, and you realize that you were wrong all along, I don't think you'll be in such an amusing mood and I don't think God will be either. Knowing that you're going to a place of eternal torment and suffering if nothing to take lightly nor laugh about, and when it is judgement time, God is going to list all the bad and good things you do, and He will do it with a serious face. God has a sense of humor, I have no doubt, but deciding whether someone goes to Heaven or Hell is no laughing matter to Him, that I can assure you. But I will pray that you find God, that I will do.

Why does God use people to speak on his behave instead of speaking with his very own voice. I'd be Far more inclined to believe what you're saying if it came directly from God to me instead of through people who never can be bothered to physically demonstrate that what they're saying is true. I'll take Gods word for it, and nobody elses.

stephaniecatherine
Sea Gull

Joined: 3 Aug 2008
Age: 40
Gender: Female
Posts: 248
Location: Ministry of Silly Walks

04 Oct 2008, 5:36 pm

Quote:

god is going to list all the bad and good things you do, and he will do it with a serious face. god has a sense of humor, I have no doubt, but deciding whether someone goes to heaven or hell is no laughing matter to him, that I can assure you. But I will pray that you find god, that I will do.

so...is god santa claus?

i wasn't going to ask that until i read the entire post and saw that you feel the need to continue with this "i'll pray for you," ego-tripping nonsense.

pray for whoever you want if it makes you feel better :roll:

Fnord
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 6 May 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 60,950
Location:

04 Oct 2008, 5:49 pm

Sand wrote:

Perhaps because people of faith have no faith in logic and science.

Religion is the final haven of the powerless, as well as being the socio-political expression of faith, which itself is the irrational belief in any improvable concept.

These concept include the "standard" religions of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and other religions that are deist or theist in nature. But it also includes any form of socio-political expression for which its adherents are willing to make war over and die for.

Many of these "non-standard" religions include, but are not limited to: Anarchy, Atheism, Democracy, Communism, Imperialism, Isolationism, Libertarianism, Nationalism, and Socialism.

There are even "near-religions" for which their adherents will engage in meaningless rituals on a regular basis. Sporting events are exhibitions of near-religious fervour, as well. Evident are chants, icons, idols, songs, and other trappings of the more mainstream religions; all on display for the honor and glory of their favourite teams and athletes.

There is no real need for faith in science, since the ignorance of the faithful can be easily replaced by real, repeatable, experimental evidence. In science, faith is often revealed when a researcher makes an assumption or 'guesses' about a scientific principle and ends up wasting time and resources in meaningless research. The quest for a perpetual motion machine is but one example of this practice.

Another way that faith runs counter to scientific principles is when a person becomes frightened out of their complacency by natural, random events that result in mass death and/or destruction. Such people latch on to a belief - such as a global weather-control conspiracy - and then search for evidence to support their faith. Needless to say, they always ignore any valid evidence that would contradict their core beliefs, and resort to ridicule and accusations that those who contradict their conspiracy theories are somehow part of the conspiracy.

This is just like the religious leaders during the Reformation of the Christian church. They had their core beliefs that were largely based upon tradition, and along came people who actually had read their Holy texts and revealed that these traditional beliefs had no basis in scriptural truth. In fact, those traditional beliefs had more to do with providing income for the established church than anything else! Those who tried to reform the established order were often arrested, tortured, tried, and sentenced to endure the most tortuous forms of butchery ever devised. Special Inquisitors were given the authority to arrest on sight anyone that they even suspected of being part of the reformation. Many of those arrested were also wealthy, and their money and property were confiscated by the church, thus providing the funds for many of the most-appreciated buildings and works of art of our present day.

Religion is not the opiate of the masses; it is instead a hallucinogen. When people finally learn the principles of science, they begin to see that religion has keep them blind and ignorant of reality. The really sad part about it is, that religious people are deluded into thinking that they already know all that is necessary, when in fact they know only what they have been told, and have no real incentive to learning what is really going on.

_________________
The mere fact that science may not yet adequately explain an object, event, or experience does not mean the immediate explanation should automatically default to a conspiratorial, extraterrestrial, paranormal, or supernatural cause.

Phagocyte
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 15 Oct 2007
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,757

04 Oct 2008, 6:39 pm

AutisticMalcontent wrote:

I'm puzzled. You seem to be under the impression that I was either speaking in jest about conversing with God or simply being flip. If God sends me to hell for my system of beliefs based on the logic that I forged through years of thinking and reasoning, I assure you that he will hear my side of the story, and I promise you that I will not ask for forgiveness, because under my logic, I did nothing wrong. You are devoted to your set of beliefs, and I hope you can see that I am devoted to mine.

_________________
Un-ban Chever! Viva La Revolucion!

DentArthurDent
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 26 Jul 2008
Age: 61
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,884
Location: Victoria, Australia

04 Oct 2008, 6:50 pm

Reodor_Felgen wrote:

Then I find it a bit ironic that the most popular president of all times, "Honest Abe", was an atheist. The United States government has never killed anyone for not being christians, and The United States is a secular nation.

The US may be secular in theory but it is far from that in practice. The immediate example that comes to mind is the distribution of welfare money to faith based charities only. If you only judge a countries level of religious tolerance by how many people it kills for not sharing the same faith or religious ethics then most countries around the world are extremely tolerant, however religious intolerance is a little more subtle than that :roll:

Reodor_Felgen wrote:

You're the one who's not accepting science. Only 3,5% of the carbon dioxyde is created by humans, which means that the global warming is not man-made. Besides, the global climate has actually began to cool down for the last 2-3 years.

again spoken like a true fanatic. 3.5% is the lowest figure that I have found and is HIGHLY disputable. It is probably more around the 5-6% . The total percentage is not the important factor, increase in omissions and changes made to carbon sinks are what count. I suggest you have a look at this

http://www.scienceclarified.com/scitech/Global-Warming/The-Human-Contribution

Reodor_Felgen wrote:

I've got nothing against atheists, and I'm not a muslim. But I still dislike the fanatical atheists, and many of them only see the bad things in the Qu'ran and the Bible--not the good.

And I dislike fanatical religious nuts that refuse to move away from thousands of year old superstitions and use their beliefs to ruin the life's of others

_________________
"I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance anyday"
Douglas Adams

"Religion is the impotence of the human mind to deal with occurrences it cannot understand" Karl Marx

ToadOfSteel
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,157
Location: New Jersey

04 Oct 2008, 7:23 pm

AutisticMalcontent wrote:

Yet another who (rather mistakenly) sees Jesus as the Bouncer of Heaven... If that concept was the truth, then every church would be like an exclusive club, in keeping with "be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect". Too many people think that by "through Jesus you are saved" means that Jesus is going to let people in based on who's on the guest list (by this theory, that would be attributed to the people who believe in Him)...

Ultimately, the most righteous and humble person on this planet is still not righteous and humble enough for Heaven, and it's only by the grace of God that people actually do get into Heaven... If that is the case, and assuming the above you mention that God does not want to see anyone suffer in Hell, then why wouldn't God just let everyone in? If Jesus can forgive the apostle Peter for explicitly denying Him three times, even with advance warning that he would do so, he can forgive John Q Public for not believing in Him...

The contradiction comes here: If, then, no act by a human can attain entry to Heaven on its own, why do we spend time doing good works? Faith in Jesus is not what saves someone. Living by His teachings, such as "Love your neighbor as yourself", are far more important than just believing in Him. If you are right in this matter, and Jerry Falwell is allowed into Heaven while Mohandas Gandhi is not, then I want no part of such a place that is counter to Jesus' teachings...

Synth
Deinonychus

Joined: 3 Oct 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 329

04 Oct 2008, 7:44 pm

The jewish god and all the christian/catholic bs has given me more problems in my life than I care to explain, it saddens me how idiocy is so fluent in the masses.
Not to mention this topic is starting to get a bit irritating/old. Plus there is more options for spirituality than that jewhova freak anyway, which barely anyone ever mentions.

Common guys, lets talk about something more worth while instead.

Fuzzy
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 30 Mar 2006
Age: 53
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,223
Location: Alberta Canada

04 Oct 2008, 7:58 pm

I think Mister Thomas Jefferson said it best:

Quote:

"question with boldness the very existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of a blindfolded fear."

Hes pretty clearly saying that a good Christian honors his god by overcoming his reliance on superstition, myth and behavior based on consequence by the application of logic, reason and science. He insinuates that you will not be punished for using your ration; no, that it is your DUTY to use it.

I say:

Especially if there isnt a god.

I think, at the end, if you Believers are right, he'll ask you why you didnt use the gifts he gave you. What will you say?

_________________
davidred wrote...
I installed Ubuntu once and it completely destroyed my paying relationship with Microsoft.

AutisticMalcontent
Velociraptor

Joined: 29 May 2008
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Posts: 459

04 Oct 2008, 9:59 pm

I knew I was going to open up a can of words when I posted my Christian beliefs, but I don't care, I did it because I think too many people do bash religion.

I am going to say a couple of things and I'll leave you atheists and agnostics to argue among yourself about what I said and how much you despise the ideas of Christianity. Go ahead, I know you will, and that's why I'm staying out of the way after this post.

Let me make a point very clear. As for this verse:

"“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you"

“Why do you look at the peck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, “Let me take the speck out of your eye,” when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye”

This verse isn't exclusive to Christians alone, it is for ANYONE who judges other people, and this can apply to you atheists/agnostics as it can apply to us Christians, whether you believe in God or not. Don't think that just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean that you can bash Christianity without paying for it if you don't ask forgiveness from God. Like I said, everything you say and do in this life, you will have to give an account in the hereafter in front of God, whether you believe in Him or not.

"Do not be decieved, for God will not be mocked. What a man sews he will also reap".

You atheists and agnostics think that YOU are the ones being persecuted for not believing in God/Jesus. I'm not here to FORCE you to believe in God, I'm merely here to speak about Him so that whomever may listen might hear and take His words to heart. If you don't believe in God, that is your choice and right, but as far as Christians (my fellow bretheren) are concerned, if you reject God/Jesus and you die, you will go to Hell. We Christians didn't say it, God/Jesus said it, and I don't need to say He'll make exceptions because He is very clear on what things are sinful and immoral in His eyes. You either obey Him or not, black and white, but the choice is up to you, we Christians are not forcing you to convert, REMEMBER that.

Secondly, you think you're suffering persecution from Christians? I will agree that there are some Bible Thumpers who are overbearing and they condemn atheists and agnostics to Hell, which isn't what God wants. But don't forget THIS, Christians all over the world in history and time have been persecuted. If any one knows persecution, it is us. Before Rome became a Christian empire under Constantine I, Christians were thrown to wild animals to be devoured, brutally tortured, and executed with crucifixition. Nero even lit up the corpses of dead Christians on crosses along the roadways so people could walk under the light at night. Christians are STILL persecuted for what they believe in foreign countries. You whine and complain about how badly Christians are persecuting you, let me tell you something, over in Communist China, Christians are beaten brutally with electric shock batons and bats and other blunt objects. They are burned with cigarettes, red hot pokers, ironing irons, and other objects. They are imprisoned and tortured in ways that are unfit for this discussion. Christians in Iran are imprisoned and tortured until they confess they believe in Allah, and often they are shunned or even executed by hanging for being Christians. Christians are tortured and die EVERYDAY for what they believe in, maybe not in the United States, but elsewhere in this world. They seal their beliefs with their blood, they lay down their lives for what they believe. How about you go talk with them and say "We suffer the disdain and persecution of Christians". I bet you that ANY of the tortures they endure would break you like a twig. So please don't give me this utter s**t about you "suffering" you don't have a f*****g clue how good you have it and you don't have a clue what suffering is. I have it good and I thank God I have it good because He has truly blessed me.

As for the guy who was talking about Peter denying Christ three times, you want to know WHY God forgave Peter? Because it was a moment of weakness in Peter's life when Christ was arrested, He was scared, but nevertheless, He was a Christian, and asked God's forgiveness sincerely after that incident. Like I said, if you sincerely ask God/Jesus for forgiveness, and believe in Him and live according to Him, He will wipe away your sins. Do you know how Peter died? He died on the cross in Rome, defending his belief in God, and he requested that he be hung upside down on the cross because He was not worthy to die as His savior, Jesus, did.

As for this, Phagocyte:

Phagocyte wrote:

You are entitled by your beliefs, but you trying to reason with God and explain your side of your story, I don't know where you GET the idea of telling the ONE who created you "your side of the story". I'm sorry that is very arrogant. God compared to man is like a man compared to a cockroach. We are insects to Him, He has the power to send us to Heaven or Hell based on our actions, there is NO argument, there is NO debate, He will judge us according to OUR actions. End of story. I'm sorry to hear that you believe this, but that is your choice, but know that as long as you're alive, you have a chance to turn it all around, that is the wonderful thing about God's great gift. He loves us SO much, that He sacrificed Jesus so that ALL my be saved.

One last message, for you atheists. Don't think for a second that I am intimidated by you, I fear nothing you say because I believe in God and that's all that matters to me. You are more than welcome to your personal beliefs, but know that your anger towards me, your outrage towards me, your hatred towards me, it means nothing to me. But know this, as long as you are alive, here on this Earth, you have a chance to be saved, and I hope for your sakes that you eventually take it before it is too late.

Luke 6:22 "Blessed are you when men hate you, and ostracize you, and insult you, and scorn your name as evil, for the sake of the Son of Man."

chever
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 21 Aug 2008
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,291
Location: Earth

04 Oct 2008, 10:01 pm

AutisticMalcontent wrote:

Two simple philosophical questions that people who sincerely believe in Hell have never been able to answer me (never mind the old one about computing the temperatures of Heaven and Hell):

What happened to everyone who died before the time of Christ? According to some accounts, Jesus brought the Biblical patriarchs up out of Hell with him. But that still leaves millions of people down there burning. In other words, why did God take His sweet fucking time saving the pinnacle of His creation?
What about all the people who were unable to convert to Christianity out of ignorance over the years? Does God hate people who live a long way from Jerusalem?

To bring my objections to life, here's a thought experiment. Consider some dude, I'll name him 'Aldhelm', who lives in Northumbria in the late fifth century. He raises pigs and forges tools for a living, taking care of wife Cyneburg and three children to the best of his ability. For a primitive man, he does pretty well for himself.

Then Aldheim dies and is cast into Hell by an jealous God who is angry at him for not accepting someone he never heard of for his savior.

If this is how your God really behaves, then fuck Him.

_________________
"You can take me, but you cannot take my bunghole! For I have no bunghole! I am the Great Cornholio!"

twoshots
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 26 Nov 2007
Age: 40
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,731
Location: Boötes void

04 Oct 2008, 10:04 pm

Positions on damning out of ignorance vary. There's Limbo, or even the notion that people have a natural gnosis of the Divine which is not dependent strictly on formal Christianity. This is a richer topic than you presume.

_________________
* here for the nachos.

Page 3 of 17 [ 266 posts ] Go to page Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ... 17 Next

Jump to:

Religion bashing Post Reply New Topic

Religion bashing