What is your religious position?

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Raised in a very exclusionary and evangelical Christin sect, thought many would take offense to calling it that. Due to the inherent illogic and extreme hypocrisy I no longer identify with that.

I never had the deep need for reason and logic scrubbed from my brain so I now consider myself a Rationalist Deist. I have started to deeply investigate the history and content of the Bible and discovered that without accompanying brainwashing the literalistic view is impossible to accept rationally. I have also started to develop an interest in Noetic Science along with other culture's and thinker's spiritual point of view. I don't buy the "Its the Work Of The Devil!" thought stopping exercise any more.

Honestly, the Fundamentalist Evangelical types call on the name of Satan to defend their beliefs from contradicting information more then the name of Jesus or Jehovah.

I believe there is a God. I also believe Jesus existed. One thing I really am a believer in is demons and hell. (no, not in a 'follow it' way) I don't believe it's in the ground, and only in the ground either. I don't believe in miracles. "Oh lord let me have A, and b.. and." not for me..

I don't think there is much quality in humans to be loved. I hate going to church though. Not because I don't agree, but because I hate group meetings where people just chat away after the service. I don't fit in, really. I never really laughed at the sermons, myself. I have always taken them to thought.

Some men made logical and interesting points. Others were imature, and not worth the time.

I don't know enough on any named religion to adhere to any, thus rendering them meaningless on a deeper level. At least to me.

A-Theist.

Theistic Mysticism: "The Divine cannot be understood rationally."

Therefore to claim a definition for God or the influence of God upon one's own life is incorrect. I agree with this as any belief or rationalization is a construct of my mind used to contemplate rather than a direct communion with the subject. In other words, I believe god cannot be rationalized as an idea, only connected with emotionally and "spiritually" (whatever that means) and my religious position reflects this.

It developed out of my interest in Zen and study of Philosophical Mysticism, which Zen is a form of.

In some individuals, the religious impulse is absent. As is in your case. But why, I wonder, is it absent in some yet present in others?

Roman Catholic, but very liberal on such issues
as gay marriage, abortion, freedom of speech, etc.

Here is an incomplete list of where I stand as a Catholic.

Gay Marriage: Let gays & lesbians marry. The restriction to wed is
a violation of human rights. Allow gays & lesbians the right to marry & to do so peacefully.

Abortion: Let it be a private matter between a woman & her doctor
without interference from government.

Freedom of Religion: Allow everyone to join {or not} the religion of their choice without force.

Freedom of Assembly: Allow protests for or against concerns that are in or outside the Church.

Freedom of Speech: As shown a few days ago, an atheist display was found in the Washington State Capitol next to a nativity set. Someone stole it. It will be returned to the Washington State Capitol. If Governor Gregoire orders for its removal, the removal in itself will be a violation of freedom of speech laws. Allow groups or individuals who think differently to speak through oral or visual communication at any opportunity.

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I'm not trying to start a flame war or be offensive here, but rather engage in a serious discussion so please don't take my questions as an insult. I truely look forward to your honest answers.

Why do you consider yourself a Catholic? The Church is quite clear that supporting abortion is a serious sin, one that makes it impossible to receive the Holy Eucharist in good standing. If you receive the Eucharist in the state of mortal sin, you are committing another mortal sin. With that in mind, do you not believe in the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist? Or, do you not believe that the Church has the authority to determine what is serious mortal sin? If you don't believe that, do you believe Jesus was lying when he gave the church that authority and promised that the Holy Spirit would guide it? I would assume that if one claims to be a member of an organization, they would accept its core principles/beliefs. If you don't believe those beliefs, why even claim to belong?

I can understand having a pro stance on abortion and gay marriage, but animal cruelty? What do you personally gain from the suffering of helpless creatures? Ugh.

Incidetally, I am also Roman Catholic. Like the Native Indians with the buffalo, with our bread and wine we use ALL of the Jesus.

God would disagree with you. Remember John 3:16?

I was born in a Lutheran Family,though i never went to church or anything like that.

I'm so glad I'm not the only person whose first thought on reading the thread title was "missionary."

these two statements are contradictory.

Thanks for the cogent argument.

Facepalm does not apply here, at all. Khan_Sama said he follows the Qu'ran then said "Peace." at the end of the post. AspieAtheistAlly made a valid point in his post by saying Peace and the Qu'ran contradict each other.

Anglican (Episcopalian to you Americans) Orthodox in service and tradition, liberal in politics.

I wear a robe and light the candles every sunday, and Father Carlos doent mind when I drip wax on things.