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05 Dec 2008, 9:03 am

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I would sacrifice myself for 5 random strangers, however no one's touching my organs after I die. *shudders*

Believe me, once you're dead, you won't mind, and you won't miss them.

Yeah, I know on the surface that seems incredibly selfish of me, well maybe it is, but I just have issues with it. I won't go into details why though. To all the people who do choose to donate their organs though, more power to you.

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05 Dec 2008, 9:06 am

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Organ transplants do not guarantee anything. There's always the danger of tissue rejection and then even if the new organ takes, the recipient needs to take immunosuppresents. And what makes one human life more important than another? Would the family of a suicide allow that person's organs to be taken from their body? I would think not.

but why not? there is no logical reason why anyone would refuse for their organs or the organs of a loved one to be used after their death in order to give someone else a chance of recovery.

if the family of a suicide disallows the suicides organs to be taken out of the body then they are being nothing short of selfish, illogical and just plain stupid.

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05 Dec 2008, 9:24 am

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Really? But this whole thing is pretty morbid. It's an endorsement of suicide.

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05 Dec 2008, 9:54 am

Confused-Fish wrote:

but why not? there is no logical reason why anyone would refuse for their organs or the organs of a loved one to be used after their death in order to give someone else a chance of recovery.

I think he was talking about biological rejection, not whether the family would accept an organ from a suicide within the family...

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Really? But this whole thing is pretty morbid. It's an endorsement of suicide.

If someone commits suicide for a different reason, it's a whole different story. But yeah, I see your point.

In any case, I wouldn't want anyone killing themselves to donate organs. However, I strongly encourage people to allow their organs to be transplanted upon any death that may happen. The body is just a shell; once you're dead, there's nothing important about the remains, as the spirit has left the body...

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05 Dec 2008, 11:30 am

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Really? But this whole thing is pretty morbid. It's an endorsement of suicide.

Not in the LEAST slowmutant. Organ transplants DO save thousands of lives, even though they're not 100% successful 100% of the time. If organ donation were compulsory and a national organ bank established, there wouldnt be a need for people to be murdered for their organs. The needs of living have precendence over the wants of the Dead. Living people who are sick need organs! Those who are already dead do not, and since they cannot communicate with the living, what the dead want is pretty much irrelevant.

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05 Dec 2008, 1:26 pm

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Really? But this whole thing is pretty morbid. It's an endorsement of suicide.

no it's not, its just making the most of a situation. just because a family is upset that one of their loved ones decided to top themselves doesn't mean that little johnny should be denied what could be a life saving liver transplant does it?

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05 Dec 2008, 1:50 pm

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What if the suicide victim is an organ donor? Are you aware the neuroscientific research seems to implicate that suicide for the most part is an IMPULSIVE act rather than a premeditated act. There are a number of mental conditions which make those afflicted with them prone to suicidal impusles(like bipolar disorder and schizophrenia for example).

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06 Dec 2008, 9:13 am

Confused-Fish wrote:

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Really? But this whole thing is pretty morbid. It's an endorsement of suicide.

No matter who's desperately in need of fresh organs, one person's life is no more important than anothers. If I am healthy and not in any kind of dire situation, no one has the right to ask me to fofeit my life for the benefit of another's. I suspect that this is just someones elaborate suicide fantasy. While I have nothing against organ donation per se, I wouldn't use a noble cause to endorse pointless suicide.

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06 Dec 2008, 11:31 am

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Really? But this whole thing is pretty morbid. It's an endorsement of suicide.

oh so your talking about someone who killed themselves specifically so that their organs can be used to save another's life? well id say still use the organs (waste not want not). but i wouldn't encourage people to kill themselves for another's benefit in this way... well unless i really disliked said person

and no one should be asked to commit suicide so that their organs may be donated (tis a pretty f****d up thing to ask someone). that being said if some one.. lets say a parent wishes to do this to save their child then what?

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06 Dec 2008, 12:03 pm

To round up my thoughts into a couple of phrases: if you want to end your life, that's fine. If you want to donate your organs, that's your choice. Wanting to decide for other people opens dangerous doors.

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06 Dec 2008, 4:37 pm

No one on WrongPlanet should be advocating suicide. This whole thread is pretty messed up. It was written by someone who fantasizes about killing themselves.

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06 Dec 2008, 5:52 pm

I read that article on BBC too.

I will let people use my organs when I am dead.
Also, people in a vegetative, braindead state should give up their organs. This may cause some controversy, but keeping someone alive who can't think just isn't morally right to me.

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06 Dec 2008, 6:07 pm

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I support euthanasia.

Me too.

Right now I am on the bone marrow donors list, one of my cousins has leukemia and my mother and I where encouraged to get our blood tested to be possible marrow donors.
We did not match, but placed ourselves on the list anyway. A good friend of mine died of leukemia when I was in school, it had a big effect on me so I placed myself on the list in his memory.

I would like to be a donor, if I have anything that will be useful to someone else after I die, they can help themselves.

My mom is already listed as a organ donor, I am the one who filled her card, I asked her what she wanted to donate, and she told me to check in anything that could save another's life (eye balls and the brain where options on the card) so I checked in the typical stuff, heart, kidneys, ect.

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06 Dec 2008, 6:21 pm

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My mom is already listed as a organ donor, I am the one who filled her card, I asked her what she wanted to donate, and she told me to check in anything that could save another's life (eye balls and the brain where options on the card) so I checked in the typical stuff, heart, kidneys, ect.

Uh.. brain? I think you're mistaken. As far as I know no ones developed a way to do a brain transplant much less found some reasonable situation where one may be morally acceptable.

I guess it could be there in preparation for possible future medical procedures but still... what are they going to do? Transplant your brain from your destroyed body to one in a vegetative state to basically replace the whole thing?

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06 Dec 2008, 6:40 pm

With all the meds I'm on, would my organs be usable to anyone else? I know for a fact that I can't give blood because of the potent drug cocktail in my system at all times. Also, I am not sure if I have the blood-type needed to donate.

Pity.

Oh well, I can give of myself in many other ways. And I plan to.

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06 Dec 2008, 6:46 pm

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They'll take any blood type in donation though some are more useful than others. For example type O is really useful as they can safely use it on anyone and mine (B negative) is apparently really rare.

But yeah having medication in your system, especially illegal or prescription drugs, pretty much makes your organs unusable.

I'm currently an organ donor but I'm thinking of changing it next time since they aren't so reliable for me these days I wouldn't want someone else stuck with them.

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