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24 Dec 2008, 5:01 am

drowbot0181 wrote:
Orwell wrote:
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This is why I hate religions.

It matters not that the majority of religious believers on this forum would disagree with the pope; he is the religious ruler of approximately 18% of the worlds population, and is not alone in his beliefs. Most evangelist and islamic rulers speak the same filthy rhetoric. To the moderate believers out there; you are foolish to think that the majority of religious people think the same way you do, they don't.

Most religious denominations are just a mouth piece for backward thinking, racist, homophobic, populist, judgemental a***holes. The world would be a far better place without them.

And before you crap on about the good religions do, there are many good charities that do not have religious ideologies

I know enough atheist homophobes and racists that I don't think those negative qualities can be attributed to the effect of religion. People are people, regardless of what they believe or profess to believe.


Atheism can't lead to homophobia, though. It has no doctrine, dogma, or tenants. Most major forms of theism DO have these things and expressly state that homosexuality is evil. Atheist also can't lead to any particular action...like dragging a young man behind a pick up truck until his eyes pop out, for example. For that level of crazy, you need religion.


Atheism may not lead to homophobia, but it is not exclusive to religion. There are plenty of people of all creeds and colours who disagree with homosexuality without ever thinking of it from the religious angle.

And still: its no danger to humanity because we aren't all gay. End of story.


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24 Dec 2008, 5:56 am

LKL wrote:
to paraphraze P.Z. Myers,
'A virgin man in a funny hat and a dress is lecturing us on proper gender roles!?'


and he wears red Prada shoes. how gay is that?

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24 Dec 2008, 6:49 am

Homophobic, Racist, Judgemental a***holes who do not believe in god are individuals. Religion has legions of supporters that follow the doctrine of their rulers, their views therefore have far more influence


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24 Dec 2008, 10:55 am

Orwell wrote:
I know enough atheist homophobes and racists that I don't think those negative qualities can be attributed to the effect of religion. People are people, regardless of what they believe or profess to believe.


Not entirely attributable to the effect of religion, no, but if a person thinks that morality is whatever the pope says it is, or whatever arbitrary taboos the bible happens to dictate, rather than something that we arrive at by using our powers of reason to discover what courses of action will increase human wellbeing, & reduce suffering - then don't you think that way of thinking really facilitates people believing all sorts of crazy disgusting things, such as that homophobia is justified?

Any atheists I've met who were racist or homophobic seemed to very clearly be unpleasant & florid neurotics, who merely couched their unreasonable dislikes in terms of pseudo-science.

With religion you can be a basicly decent & generally sane individual & still feel yourself obliged to go along with all that crazy stuff. A sincere moderate Catholic with liberal live-&-let-live impulses is on the losing side of the religious argument - his spiritual leaders are lined up with the crazies & the bigots.

People are people, but what they believe affects their ability to be good people.



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24 Dec 2008, 11:01 am

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People are people, but what they believe affects their ability to be good people.


*applause* Very well said.



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24 Dec 2008, 11:27 am

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A sincere moderate Catholic with liberal live-&-let-live impulses is on the losing side of the religious argument


How sad for me. :(

If Jesus were here today, the first thing he'd do is clean house in Rome. Like he did with the Jewish Pharisees back in the day. I wonder how many of them would be left as members of the Kingdom in good standing?

As an honest & sincere Catholic I would hope for the complete annihiliation of the current system come Armageddon. The Catholic Church, like all churches, should be razed, scattered and built anew.

But there is still some good in this massively corrupted system. There's still some good, but unfortunately not enough to make a difference.

When the world is made anew, all the old cancers will be chemo'd out of existence.



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24 Dec 2008, 11:39 am

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A sincere moderate Catholic with liberal live-&-let-live impulses is on the losing side of the religious argument


How sad for me. :(

If Jesus were here today, the first thing he'd do is clean house in Rome. Like he did with the Jewish Pharisees back in the day. I wonder how many of them would be left as members of the Kingdom in good standing?

As an honest & sincere Catholic I would hope for the complete annihiliation of the current system come Armageddon. The Catholic Church, like all churches, should be razed, scattered and built anew.

But there is still some good in this massively corrupted system. There's still some good, but unfortunately not enough to make a difference.

When the world is made anew, all the old cancers will be chemo'd out of existence.


Actually, the Catholic Church seems right in line with the OT and NT.

But if Jesus were real and he does return, PLEASE everybody aim for the head! That's the only way to kill a zombie. This mistake was made once already (looking at you, Romans...) and look what happened as a result.



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24 Dec 2008, 11:52 am

drowbot0181 wrote:
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A sincere moderate Catholic with liberal live-&-let-live impulses is on the losing side of the religious argument


How sad for me. :(

If Jesus were here today, the first thing he'd do is clean house in Rome. Like he did with the Jewish Pharisees back in the day. I wonder how many of them would be left as members of the Kingdom in good standing?

As an honest & sincere Catholic I would hope for the complete annihiliation of the current system come Armageddon. The Catholic Church, like all churches, should be razed, scattered and built anew.

But there is still some good in this massively corrupted system. There's still some good, but unfortunately not enough to make a difference.

When the world is made anew, all the old cancers will be chemo'd out of existence.


Actually, the Catholic Church seems right in line with the OT and NT.

But if Jesus were real and he does return, PLEASE everybody aim for the head! That's the only way to kill a zombie. This mistake was made once already (looking at you, Romans...) and look what happened as a result.



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24 Dec 2008, 11:56 am

slowmutant wrote:
drowbot0181 wrote:
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A sincere moderate Catholic with liberal live-&-let-live impulses is on the losing side of the religious argument


How sad for me. :(

If Jesus were here today, the first thing he'd do is clean house in Rome. Like he did with the Jewish Pharisees back in the day. I wonder how many of them would be left as members of the Kingdom in good standing?

As an honest & sincere Catholic I would hope for the complete annihiliation of the current system come Armageddon. The Catholic Church, like all churches, should be razed, scattered and built anew.

But there is still some good in this massively corrupted system. There's still some good, but unfortunately not enough to make a difference.

When the world is made anew, all the old cancers will be chemo'd out of existence.


Actually, the Catholic Church seems right in line with the OT and NT.

But if Jesus were real and he does return, PLEASE everybody aim for the head! That's the only way to kill a zombie. This mistake was made once already (looking at you, Romans...) and look what happened as a result.


You forgot to type anything in your response. Or perhaps it is there, but it is beyond understanding and exists outside the natural world? When I find God, will I find your response?



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24 Dec 2008, 11:56 am

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Actually, the Catholic Church seems right in line with the OT and NT.


Quit blowing smoke out your ass. :evil:



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24 Dec 2008, 11:59 am

Shouldn't the Pope address the "Vatican threat" before anything else?



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24 Dec 2008, 12:00 pm

slowmutant wrote:
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Actually, the Catholic Church seems right in line with the OT and NT.


Quit blowing smoke out your ass. :evil:


I'm not. What portions of the Bible are Catholic Church violating that makes them deserving of the genocide you wish upon them?



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24 Dec 2008, 12:01 pm

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Shouldn't the Pope address the "Vatican threat" before anything else?


He IS the "Vatican threat."



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24 Dec 2008, 12:24 pm

One man is not the Vatican threat. It's a whole conspiracy of threats.



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24 Dec 2008, 12:28 pm

But he is a part of that threat...a very big part. He can't very well address himself as a threat. His attitudes and policies are pulling the Catholic Church back into the dark ages, which it was barely out of to begin with.



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24 Dec 2008, 1:01 pm

Self-criticism and change are not the Catholic Church's strong points. As a governing and ecclesiastical body, the Vatican is verrrrry slowwww.