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10 Jan 2009, 11:05 am

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No law against it nope, but it could make you look suspect in certain circumstances (they do have access to your library record, I kid you not).

Oh look, here's a copy on the Internet. If you're paranoid that they're watching that, use crypto and no one will ever know.

Best hope you don't accidentally let a few lines slip out in conversation...

Again, simply from a logistical point of view, *that kind of monitoring is not going on.* Who in the world is keeping track of what *I* say and do? NOONE! Because no one really gives a sh** what some random college kid thinks! And--news flash--no one cares what you think either! Certainly no one cares enough to spend all the time, effort, and money to stalk you during your every waking moment.

Get over the paranoia, folks. IngSoc is not real, the ubiquitous telescreen is not a plausible scenario, and there is no MiniLuv.

No - if you let a few lines slip out in conversation the reaction you will get is really the limiting factor in our freedom. Especially when something goes wrong then you run the risk of being lynched for being the odd kid into the wrong things.

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10 Jan 2009, 11:07 am

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Because the average person would recognize and respond to quotes from Mein Kampf. :roll:

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10 Jan 2009, 11:26 am

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Because the average person would recognize and respond to quotes from Mein Kampf. :roll:

You only need one person to spot you - and they won't ever say that they did so to your face.

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10 Jan 2009, 11:38 am

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You only need one person to spot you - and they won't ever say that they did so to your face.

No one is on guard for such things, and the only people who are educated enough to pick up on it wouldn't care anyways because they have the level of intellectual maturity not to desire to stifle freedom of thought. Besides, it's not hard to argue that studying such books has educational value as a way of understanding why such terrible things happened. You can always pull out the "those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it" card if you need an alibi.

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10 Jan 2009, 12:00 pm

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freedom of the press is limited to those who own one

at the time...it was thought that actually letting people read it would only help the Unibomber's case, so except for the New York Times (it's been awhile, but I think that was the one), no one actually had a copy. It's probably on the Internet, somewhere...

The Oakland (California) Tribune published it, because it was thought that the Unabomber may have lived in Berkeley (just north of Oakland) either at the time or at one time, and that somebody in Oakland/Berkeley may know him. They bet that anybody who might agree with it would already have that tendency, and that in all it wouldn't gain him any converts. In addition, the Oakland Tribune is generally not distributed outside of the Bay Area, except for a couple newsstands you can't even buy it in Sacramento. So the impact would be limited.

As it turns out, I did get a copy of the manifesto issue in Sacramento, read it, and agreed with it, so he won at least ONE convert. As it turns out, he taught briefly at UC Berkeley. The insert with the manifesto was quite intimidating-they had to use small print to fit it all in-so I bet that most Tribune readers just tossed it. As for it being available online, just google "Unabomber Manifesto" and you'll get a few million sites.

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10 Jan 2009, 12:24 pm

The reason why the manifesto was published is because he made the demand that if it wasn't published he would continue to send out bombs.

Orwell, I'm sorry you are unable to comprehend how psychological manipulation is used by the US government and corporations.
Brainwashing is a subtle and an easy tactic used to sway people.

How can you say that link was biased? It contained passages from Bernay's "Propaganda". Those are his words.
I don't expect anyone to read his book right now online so that link contains some of his passages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

It's a fact that Bernays was employed by the government as well as the tobacco industry.
He stated how the media played on people's desires and fears for profits as well as to manipulate them into conformity.
It's not paranoia. Brainwashing is just peer pressure on a grand scale.

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10 Jan 2009, 12:45 pm

Wikipedia:

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Main article: Propaganda (book)

Cover of Bernays' 1928 book, Propaganda.

In Propaganda (1928), his most important book, Bernays argued that the manipulation of public opinion was a necessary part of democracy:

The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.

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11 Jan 2009, 2:50 am

to be honest, I think he's right up there with the guy who makes liquid peppermint soap (it's sort of a health food store item. He puts his manifesto on every bottle, and all I remember is her really doesn't like the UN...

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11 Jan 2009, 10:00 am

Orwell wrote:

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You only need one person to spot you - and they won't ever say that they did so to your face.

It still would not wash with most people - remember you will probably not be there to give that alibi, until its gone around the backstabbing conversation circle a few times.

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11 Jan 2009, 2:55 pm

It would be fun to do an experiment and walk around with a Mein Kampf book to see how people react to you reading it.
Sit on a subway and hold it up high, read it silently and nod occasionally as if in deep thought.
Carry it under your arm to work and read it during break time. :lol:

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11 Jan 2009, 3:25 pm

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You know I am sorely tempted, just for the lulz. The thing is in my case it could be genuinely considered an academic work.

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11 Jan 2009, 3:32 pm

Kangoogle wrote:

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You know I am sorely tempted, just for the lulz. The thing is in my case it could be genuinely considered an academic work.

I'd have an excuse- I'm a history major.

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11 Jan 2009, 3:35 pm

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You know I am sorely tempted, just for the lulz. The thing is in my case it could be genuinely considered an academic work.

I'd have an excuse- I'm a history major.

My excuse is that I study some politics - but really I just want to see the reaction.

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11 Jan 2009, 3:51 pm

Reading it around a school campus wouldn't have the same affect as if you read it at work. I love college towns because of the fact that people are still in the learning/free thinking mind set much more so than people are in the real world.

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11 Jan 2009, 3:54 pm

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Reading in my university would probably be worse than reading at most peoples work - really my uni is full of a class of the dim but highly educated who cannot think beyond their narrow way of life. Ok, there are a few exceptions, but not enough to sort out the environment.

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11 Jan 2009, 3:55 pm

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My university has a large enough Jewish population that there would likely be some social ostracism that would result from reading Hitler's works.

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