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11 Jan 2009, 1:46 pm

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Peronally I think dark matter is very far fetch'd.

I think there are flaws in the equations which lead to the theory it has to exist.


I agree, doctor.



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11 Jan 2009, 1:56 pm

Haliphron wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
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Peronally I think dark matter is very far fetch'd.

I think there are flaws in the equations which lead to the theory it has to exist.


I agree, doctor.



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Yes, why? I mean, a lot of scientists seem to support the theory of dark matter, even though the theory is there out of necessity to fill a gap, but I wouldn't completely discard it, yet. Eventually it would be either confirmed, or discarded if a new theory takes its place, I don't know if there is an alternative explanation for it though, other than God :P, which would be another one to fill the gap I suppose.

One of the LHC's goals is to find evidence for the existence of dark matter.


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11 Jan 2009, 2:40 pm

Is this just an intellectual game or does it benefit mankind somehow? Science is supposed to benefit mankind, right?

This is just a circle-jerk. :x :roll:

Go cure cancer.



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11 Jan 2009, 2:54 pm

[quote="slowmutant"]Is this just an intellectual game or does it benefit mankind somehow? Science is supposed to benefit mankind, right?

This is just a circle-jerk. :x :roll:

Go cure cancer.[/quote

Your concept about science is way off base. Science is about curiosity and finding out about what goes on in the universe. It is not an appliance. If you're not curious then forget it.



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11 Jan 2009, 3:06 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Is this just an intellectual game or does it benefit mankind somehow? Science is supposed to benefit mankind, right?

This is just a circle-jerk. :x :roll:

Go cure cancer.

Who knows? They might find an alien biological element that could cure AIDS ;)


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11 Jan 2009, 3:11 pm

greenblue wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Is this just an intellectual game or does it benefit mankind somehow? Science is supposed to benefit mankind, right?

This is just a circle-jerk. :x :roll:

Go cure cancer.

Who knows? They might find an alien biological element that could cure AIDS ;)


I think the cure for AIDS already exists on Earth and is probably just waiting to be discovered.



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11 Jan 2009, 3:32 pm

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This is just a circle-jerk.


What's a circle-jerk?


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11 Jan 2009, 4:05 pm

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Sand, are you 100% sure we do perceive our selves as moving through time in a linear direction?

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We sense changes. Changes in our internal states. Changes in external states such as position. It is the changes and the order of events that give rise to the intuition of time.

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11 Jan 2009, 4:40 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Sand, are you 100% sure we do perceive our selves as moving through time in a linear direction?

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We sense changes. Changes in our internal states. Changes in external states such as position. It is the changes and the order of events that give rise to the intuition of time.

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What's a non-linear direction?



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11 Jan 2009, 4:47 pm

Time is considered a dimension partly because you need it to locate a moving object. If you don't factor time into the grid, then a moving object appears to be in many different places at once.

Time is also warped in the same ways space can be warped. The more gravity present, the faster an object appears to move through time. And because an object's mass increases as it approaches the light barrier time will also become warped when you travel at extreme speeds. This results in being able to effectively travel into the future by traveling just below the light barrier.


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11 Jan 2009, 6:56 pm

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Time is considered a dimension partly because you need it to locate a moving object. If you don't factor time into the grid, then a moving object appears to be in many different places at once.

Time is also warped in the same ways space can be warped. The more gravity present, the faster an object appears to move through time. And because an object's mass increases as it approaches the light barrier time will also become warped when you travel at extreme speeds. This results in being able to effectively travel into the future by traveling just below the light barrier.


The more gravity present, the slower an object appears to move through time. If you could watch an indestructible clock as it was sucked into a black hole, it would tick slower and slower until it stopped ticking at the event horizon.
In the same way, if you took a clock on a spaceship, accelerated it to near the speed of light, and came back again, the clock on the ship will have ran slower than one left on Earth. You'd also be younger than your twin brother who stayed behind.


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11 Jan 2009, 6:59 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Is this just an intellectual game or does it benefit mankind somehow? Science is supposed to benefit mankind, right?

This is just a circle-jerk. :x :roll:

Go cure cancer.


w*ker :mrgreen:



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12 Jan 2009, 5:19 pm

theater of the absurd

we chop up life into pieces and call it time. we have conventions for synchronizing the pieces and then make an altar and worship at the clock. indeed we act like time is our master and we are its slaves. or maybe it never occurs to us to see it as it is.

the high priests in our fantasy world which we mistakenly call reality....are our sensory perceptions. and we worship them too.....so that our fantasy lives which we call reality are run by time and sense perception. when neither are telling us what we need to know. we're stuck in the matrix.

we don't rule time and never bother to question our sense perceptions either except for a few quantumfreaks who've grown exasperated, trying to force their legitimate data into complying with 'sensible expectations'.

we think past is past and future is future never speculating that future might be past and past might be future....because we've got it all figured out in our picture perfect, little box for everything, sequential linear brains...

it's like allowing yourself to be hypnotized by a nightmare, even after you wake up. the problem is that very few of us have awakened. and those who have-- are told to be quiet and go back to sleep...



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12 Jan 2009, 5:25 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Is this just an intellectual game or does it benefit mankind somehow? Science is supposed to benefit mankind, right?

This is just a circle-jerk. :x :roll:

Go cure cancer.


curing cancer isn't a good thing, far from it.



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12 Jan 2009, 9:07 pm

saintetienne wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Is this just an intellectual game or does it benefit mankind somehow? Science is supposed to benefit mankind, right?

This is just a circle-jerk. :x :roll:

Go cure cancer.


curing cancer isn't a good thing, far from it.


How did you arrive at that conclusion?

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12 Jan 2009, 9:12 pm

Well as you probably already know Einstine believed time was interwoven with space.. As a term known as "timespace". He also described how space bends for objects within it.

I just scrolled down and realized what I just said had nothing to do with the current arguement really, I was responding to the first post.