Angels, Aliens, and Archetypes

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It is the same pattern of irrational behaviour: The sole difference of people who see ghosts and people how believe that a wafer can turn in the flesh of god is a different degree of a long term organizational frame work.

No space for it in my imagination. That's what you should have said.

That is something I learned from my husband when he studied with a Orthodox priest for awhile. They allow God to be mystical and well be God. Now when I find my analytical and westernized mind takes over I remember the Orthodox way of reading, praying, meditating and when I don't understand letting God be God instead of myself.

If permitting yourself to be bamboozled by nonsense on the basis of accepting ignorance as a way of life is satisfactory, then join the masses who are manipulated by scammers. The only way to deal with reality is to not just accept your limitations as being impenetrable but by examination of what you can do and utilizing that as best you can. The assumption of impenetrable mysteries is the acceptance of defeat in dealing with reality.

On the other hand with all our technical excellence and fantastic technology to investigate the very large, the very small, the very fast and the very slow we are still fifteen order of magnitude away from Planck Length. I seriously doubt that we will ever touch Reality at its very rock bottom. Maybe Kant's distinction between the numinal and the phenominal is right, after all. However, for a primate with a three pound brain, we do alright for ourselves.

ruveyn

One of Murphy's Laws (which are generally much more insightful than almost all religious literature) is that if something doesn't work, kick it. Science has been kicking the universe for a couple of centuries now and the damned thing certainly works better now than it did before. Begging or praying to it, which was the previous technique, never did anything at all.

I think we had to accept the limits of our current understanding of the universe in three ways: That we are aware about this, that we do not fill the gaps with myths (wishful thinking, believe etc.) and we gradually eliminate those gaps.

Till now (and for the foreseeable future) there is no other method than the scientific method to fill the gaps (and I could not think about any other method, given the results so far).

The UFO phenomenon is real. Whether you want to believe it or not, many people report having been in some sort of contact with aliens. These reports have a common thread in that the abductees claim they were given apocalyptic messages and participated in some sort of eugenics breeding program.

To say that you know for a fact that aliens don't exist shows that you are delusional because nobody really knows what's going on. The fact that you don't find this phenomenon worthy of study shows that you would rather bury your head in the sand for fear that you might lose control in knowing that you don't understand everything and neither does science.

The aliens may simply come from within as I believe the spiritual realm also is within.
"The kingdom of heaven is within." It doesn't mean it's not real in some sense, it's just that this is the only way we can perceive it. It doesn't seem reasonable that we are the only life forms in the universe. It doesn't seem likely that most of the universe (96%) is comprised of empty space which has an astronomical amount more of energy and contains no life. It would be such a waste of space.

Matter is energy and matter is real. It contains life. What is so hard to believe about pure energy/empty space comprising real life forms as well?

We seem to have some similiar beliefs here. I havn't had the alien experience I've heard others describe. The closest I've come to such an encounter was when I was about 12. I was looking out of our huge window when in the clouds I see three horizontal blinking lights. Red, green and white? I have never seen anything even remotely like that bizarre sight since. So I do wonder what I saw.

One fact I find so interesting is that I've read interviews of people that have encountered demons and those that have encountered aliens. The descriptions of both creatures are similiar in appearance, speak through mental telepathy and smell of burning rubber (sulfer) which creates a horrible stink. Makes one wonder...

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Sounds interesting. I'd like to see hard evidence. Until then, it's nothing more than mere science fiction or fantasy.

There is no hard evidence as we know it. If we continue to search for evidence in a materialistic way, we are missing the big picture. In order to find the evidence we have to expand our conscious and unconscious awareness.

It would be like an ant trying to understand humans. No matter what a human does to try to reveal our world to them, they will never understand it unless the ant is able to break out of its mold. It is not an act of futility to try to do this however. Considering how far we have come as a species, the potential to evolve further should be at least as measurable.

Animals have evolved throughout history and will continue to do so. Humans have the ability to evolve, especially through our mental capacities. This is what I believe is the driving force behind spirituality. It is innate in most humans to try to know the divine because intuitively/unconsciously we know there is something higher we can achieve.

I don't know if any of this is true for sure, but I think it's worth investigating.

If none of this is known to be true, but it can't be arbitrarily discounted, then we can consider the "Alien Angels in our Heads" hypothesis to be equal to all other possible explanations. If that's the case it is as worthy as anything else to be investigated.

But, I think that perhaps we should concentrate on the explanations we have already made the most progress with, as there's no sense in swapping donkeys in the middle of the stream.

So, for now anyway, we should concentrate on investigating legitimate science, with surplus resources diverted into history, philosophy, theology, all that jazz.

When we've exhausted all that we can move onto aliens-turning-themselves-into-psychic-angels-ism.

Personally, I can't wait.

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Everything we know about the world comes through our senses. There is no knowledge that is not ultimately based on things known by our senses. Anything else is moonshine, delusion and nonsense. There are no "revealed truths" other than truths revealed through the senses.

ruveyn

Since homo sapiens emerged, our brains have not changed much.
People back then were just like us now. Culture is what caused us to progress.
Since the alien phenomenon looks like a cultural one, I think it could help us expand/progress in some way.

At any rate, it does seem like it's a solitary pursuit and will remain so. Perhaps this is the best way to investigate it.

People want to progress to a state of higher happiness.
People like jam. It causes them to be happier.
Jam is the cause of all human progress.

Perhaps we should be investigating jam?

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