Homosexuality: What is God's real view?

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You left out the good one. The Israelites were to carry little spades with them so they could dig latrines to dump in. This way if God walked among the Israelites He would not step in poo. Deut. 23: 12-14.

ruveyn

No, it means you don't mix two kinds of seeds right on top of each other in the same plot. You can have separate portions of your fields dedicated to different crops. In fact crop rotation and fallowing is required under Bible Law.

ruveyn

I'm not throwing anything at you, Rags - if I were, it would have been more along the lines (mentioned by others) that although Jesus Christ had quite a few things to say about sin, He never once said anything about gays. If it were that big a deal to Him, you'd have thought He'd say something...

No, I was posting in response to Tim_Tex, whose sole post was to quote a single line out of Leviticus. My point was that there are a lot of things forbidden in Leviticus that, if taken literally today, would send quite a lot of us to Sheol.

The last quote, the one that was actually repeated by Christ (when He was asked which is the greatest of the Commandments), was the only one that I thought actually pertained to anything.

well, not that simple actually, the rejection and outlawing the practice of anal sex as well as oral sex, within heterosexual couples, would have been originally the case because of considering it within a belief system to be acts related to and originally from homosexuality, as men lack vaginas, thus rejecting those acts, hence the term sodomy been used for both acts. A part from that, the solely purpose of sex, that of procreation.

I'm not sure what the official stance is myself.

I agree exactly, per an earlier post I made in this thread.



Ok, I misunderstood. Cool.

Rock on, IdahoAspie. Brilliant as usual.

From my angle, being raised strict Roman Catholic, I'd say that what the "Lord" says isn't important to me. I live by different rules, different standards now -- some follow others, some choose to make up their own minds, some don't know anything about anything, and that's okay too. We all end up in the same place, but it's what you do beforehand that makes the difference.

As someone who doesn't believe in 'god' or any other kind of higher power, i can't really say what any hypothetical omnipotent being may or may not think of this, but i can say what I think:

Love is probably the only true redeeming quality of the human race, if you have a real, genuine connection between two people, than NO ONE, ANYWHERE should EVER be able to say it is wrong.

As forrest gump said, 'And thats all i have to say about that.'

Before I get too involved in this can someone please clarify if Christians are supposed to follow the old testament. I am under the impression that Jesus threw it out and replaced it with the New testament, or at least made the New the first point of reference ?

If we take God and ignore the other, more likely, options then as an all powerful all knowing being he should be able to understand and manipulate the butterfly effect, he's in his workshop makeing man from clay and thinks to himself "if I increase man's average intelligence they'll form a utopia around 300 BC". That its our fault and not a perfect God's severely underestimates juts how much control a perfect God would have.




The plain meaning is that men aren't aloud to have vaginal sex with other men. I don't think many gay couples are doing that, there's a few gay men on this thread so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

OK, now that we've settled that God is imperfect, a kind of super redneck with very little comprehension of His inadequacies or their consequences, what can we do about it?

There is no real evolutionary reason for a man to become gay because of the lack of woman etc. I am sure it isn't that common. Same as I don't think I am going to turn into an NTs because being an aspie hasn't worked that well for me. There is so much more to a gay man biology then the act of gay sex.

You guys are going off track NT style.

To answer your question you need to ask.
* What are the survival advantages for the individual or the collective for being gay.
* What are the survival advantages of persecuting gay pay people.

I don't want to hear that there is non.

Then don't listen. Homosexual activity is common throughout the animal kingdom and whether you accept it or not humans are part of that.

Arrrgggh! Smart as paint ye arrrre! Humans are the smartest, baddest apes in The Monkey House. We are not Gods and we are not Angels. We are Apes version 5.0.

ruveyn

Very interesting, IdahoAspie. I appreciate those who take the time to respond thoughtfully in this thread. You could be right about Paul having the evil and the disease-spreading types of homosexuality in mind, but I would have to research the history of the time, not to mention Paul's original texts, further.

Thank you for your comment and insight.