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15 Mar 2009, 2:27 am

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Some of the descriptions posted here appear to be delusions to one, such as myself, whose whole experiences record no paranormal effects and who finds scientific explanations are quite adequate for everything I have experienced. The field of paranormality is replete with fakery and with people with psychological problems and challenges such as that put out by James Randi have never been successfully accepted. Nevertheless science has frequently had to make major changes in its paradigms and phenomena, such as entangled particles, indicate there is much in the universe that is still poorly understood. People of good intelligence frequently indicate a belief in religious dogma that has no basis in current understanding and time itself which presents each of us with a sense of being in a present moment which continuously changes is frequently relegated to delusion by science even though this is the hardest reality to each of us. I am extremely suspicious of accounts of paranormal phenomena, as I am by accounts of flying saucers but there is always the very slim chance that something I can accept as real has occurred and that almost negligible possibility I always leave open.


I would expect most people who have never experienced a paranormal phenomena would think this way. It is the logical way of thinking. There is no way I could make anyone on a forum believe me, but like you said, there are so many things that cant be explained, because science has not got that far, or there is no way to run a solid test. I do not have any "psychological problems" as you say, but I am also aware that there are plenty of people who have that problem. I have had total non believers with me before that seen the same things I did and now believe. I have seen things that you can not attribute to some kind of illusion or something. Like a door knob turning and the door opening, or a cabinet being unlocked and opened, when no one else is there. It makes me second guess myself, like checking to make sure there is not some kind of trick going on. There has never been any elaborate smoke and mirrors, or someone playing a prank on me, I am sure of that. I could go on and on telling stories but it wont do any help, because this is something you have to experience to believe.

Just-me, I have seen and heard them before, but I usually sense them, and when I sense them there seem to be some sort of communication going on that I cant describe, like they are communicating to me threw my feelings, like if they don't want me there or if everything is okay, or trying to tell me something. Then there are the obvius things like doors open and shutting, locks, door knobs, stuff sliding, breaking, being thrown, ect.


You seem to me, from this, that you have experienced something that I cannot explain so it is, as you say, a matter of accepting your word. The matter remains in limbo for me at this point.



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15 Mar 2009, 2:29 am

This is the sort of thing they submit for 'bad english' contests: People of good intelligence frequently indicate a belief in religious dogma that has no basis in current understanding and time itself which presents each of us with a sense of being in a present moment which continuously changes is frequently relegated to delusion by science even though this is the hardest reality to each of us



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15 Mar 2009, 2:39 am

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This is the sort of thing they submit for 'bad english' contests: People of good intelligence frequently indicate a belief in religious dogma that has no basis in current understanding and time itself which presents each of us with a sense of being in a present moment which continuously changes is frequently relegated to delusion by science even though this is the hardest reality to each of us


I appreciate your criticism of my English and since you expressed an interest I would very much like to see how you feel it should be corrected.



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15 Mar 2009, 2:46 am

i'm not even sure what you're trying to say there.



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15 Mar 2009, 2:47 am

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Some of the descriptions posted here appear to be delusions to one, such as myself, whose whole experiences record no paranormal effects and who finds scientific explanations are quite adequate for everything I have experienced. The field of paranormality is replete with fakery and with people with psychological problems and challenges such as that put out by James Randi have never been successfully accepted. Nevertheless science has frequently had to make major changes in its paradigms and phenomena, such as entangled particles, indicate there is much in the universe that is still poorly understood. People of good intelligence frequently indicate a belief in religious dogma that has no basis in current understanding and time itself which presents each of us with a sense of being in a present moment which continuously changes is frequently relegated to delusion by science even though this is the hardest reality to each of us. I am extremely suspicious of accounts of paranormal phenomena, as I am by accounts of flying saucers but there is always the very slim chance that something I can accept as real has occurred and that almost negligible possibility I always leave open.


I would expect most people who have never experienced a paranormal phenomena would think this way. It is the logical way of thinking. There is no way I could make anyone on a forum believe me, but like you said, there are so many things that cant be explained, because science has not got that far, or there is no way to run a solid test. I do not have any "psychological problems" as you say, but I am also aware that there are plenty of people who have that problem. I have had total non believers with me before that seen the same things I did and now believe. I have seen things that you can not attribute to some kind of illusion or something. Like a door knob turning and the door opening, or a cabinet being unlocked and opened, when no one else is there. It makes me second guess myself, like checking to make sure there is not some kind of trick going on. There has never been any elaborate smoke and mirrors, or someone playing a prank on me, I am sure of that. I could go on and on telling stories but it wont do any help, because this is something you have to experience to believe.

Just-me, I have seen and heard them before, but I usually sense them, and when I sense them there seem to be some sort of communication going on that I cant describe, like they are communicating to me threw my feelings, like if they don't want me there or if everything is okay, or trying to tell me something. Then there are the obvius things like doors open and shutting, locks, door knobs, stuff sliding, breaking, being thrown, ect.


One further comment. There are many phenomena indicated under the paranormal and their interpretation has more than one possibility. Seeing strange shapes and objects moving without visible impetus could be attributed to ghosts or strange beings but if an individual has telekinetic capabilities the individual may be creating these phenomena and misinterpreting their cause. Telekinetics is, of course, another unaccepted phenomena at this point.



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15 Mar 2009, 2:49 am

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Whatever Sand...Einstein, Sinclair, Jung, and Freud are all part of this sect of lower intelligent/delusional people right? I'm sure. :roll:


You didn't mention Conan Doyle or the Pope or Newton or all sorts of very bright people throughout history with extremely peculiar ideas. Where did I say they were of lower intellect? It seems to me I mentioned they were extraordinarily intelligent but a bit on the wacky side.


Perhaps that because they are way ahead of there time.? :wink:



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15 Mar 2009, 2:52 am

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Just-me, I have seen and heard them before, but I usually sense them, and when I sense them there seem to be some sort of communication going on that I cant describe, like they are communicating to me threw my feelings, like if they don't want me there or if everything is okay, or trying to tell me something. Then there are the obvius things like doors open and shutting, locks, door knobs, stuff sliding, breaking, being thrown, ect.


So in a nut shell your an empath who can communicate with ghosts.
Cool!



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15 Mar 2009, 2:52 am

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Whatever Sand...Einstein, Sinclair, Jung, and Freud are all part of this sect of lower intelligent/delusional people right? I'm sure. :roll:


You didn't mention Conan Doyle or the Pope or Newton or all sorts of very bright people throughout history with extremely peculiar ideas. Where did I say they were of lower intellect? It seems to me I mentioned they were extraordinarily intelligent but a bit on the wacky side.


Perhaps that because they are way ahead of there time.? :wink:


Or way behind it.



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15 Mar 2009, 2:53 am

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Whatever Sand...Einstein, Sinclair, Jung, and Freud are all part of this sect of lower intelligent/delusional people right? I'm sure. :roll:


You didn't mention Conan Doyle or the Pope or Newton or all sorts of very bright people throughout history with extremely peculiar ideas. Where did I say they were of lower intellect? It seems to me I mentioned they were extraordinarily intelligent but a bit on the wacky side.


Perhaps that because they are way ahead of there time.? :wink:


Or way behind it.


Perhaps, but I choose to disagree with you on that one.



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15 Mar 2009, 2:53 am

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i'm not even sure what you're trying to say there.


Then obviously it is not my English in question but your comprehension.



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15 Mar 2009, 2:58 am

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One further comment. There are many phenomena indicated under the paranormal and their interpretation has more than one possibility. Seeing strange shapes and objects moving without visible impetus could be attributed to ghosts or strange beings but if an individual has telekinetic capabilities the individual may be creating these phenomena and misinterpreting their cause. Telekinetics is, of course, another unaccepted phenomena at this point.


Good observation sand!! !

That was one of my theory's. I discounted it because It seemed more likely that an outside presence did it. But I never fully ruled it out.

Since then I have had some experience with telekinesis but I feel I would be jumping onto the fire by posting about it.

Ive been flamed on pagan forms for it more then once.



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15 Mar 2009, 3:22 am

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OK then, you don't have to justify yourself. Others also don't have to take you seriously.

I am curious though- what do trees say to you?


Hey if its good enough for James 1 who are we to mock :wink:


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15 Mar 2009, 3:27 am

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i'm not even sure what you're trying to say there.


Then obviously it is not my English in question but your comprehension.


:lol: I don't think anyone would comprehend that sentence.



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15 Mar 2009, 3:30 am

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i'm not even sure what you're trying to say there.


Then obviously it is not my English in question but your comprehension.


:lol: I don't think anyone would comprehend that sentence.


I understand it and that makes one. Sometimes it's not wise to judge others by yourself and sometimes it is.



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15 Mar 2009, 4:13 am

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OK then, you don't have to justify yourself. Others also don't have to take you seriously.

I am curious though- what do trees say to you?


Hey if its good enough for James 1 who are we to mock :wink:

Do you mix-up dead people? :?



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15 Mar 2009, 4:13 am

http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/

This is the contest I was thinking of. I think it's for writing that takes itself too seriously and is expressed in an overwrought, dense or wordy manner.