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23 May 2009, 3:28 pm

Enough! Post an opinion or a question. The only forum this is appropriate for is the currently yet-to-be-developed "Crazy right-wing religious humor that isn't actually funny at all forum".



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24 May 2009, 3:04 pm

The subject line of this thread is very telling. Essentially; "If you disagree, we don't want to know. Keep quiet." This traditionally accomplishes two things:

1) We are afraid our claims won't stand up to scrutiny, so we don't want anyone bringing any opposing facts or evidence into the discussion.

2) Make a minority feel they are larger in numbers. This is actually working in the Liberals' favor right now. So long as the 20% or so hard-right segment of the population believe they are the real majority they won't evolve, and will lose the next election even bigger than this one.

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On another subject: Not only is the VP allowed to run after his president runs 2 terms but it is tradition. From a PR angle, it's the next best thing to getting a third term out of that president, plus the party has a built in well-known-candidate. This is part of what makes Cheney even more of an anomaly that he already is. One of the least-known-while-in-office VPs, he showed no desire to run and the GOP showed even more desire not to run him, saying a lot about Bush/Cheney's popularity. Or lack thereof.



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24 May 2009, 4:05 pm

DentArthurDent wrote:
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Obama's not dumb. He's just extremely corrupt.

Biden on the other hand...

corrupt?! what the hell you token on?! actually, he is very anti-courrtuption, unlike like cheney, who swung no bid contracts for hilburton

He's just a puppet who works for Wall Street. Seriously, look up how much lobbyist money he got during his campaign. It was more than McCain. This is public information.


Mmmmm and the previous presidents were not.

I never implied they weren't.



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24 May 2009, 4:12 pm

Democrats are on the inside what Republicans are on the outside.

We actually need a changing of the guard every few years or so


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24 May 2009, 11:12 pm

MADDuck wrote:
Democrats are on the inside what Republicans are on the outside.

We actually need a changing of the guard every few years or so


When it's the same guard with two different labels it doesn't change.



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24 May 2009, 11:37 pm

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Remember, the media was/is in the tank for Obama.


That's right. FOX News absolutely adored/adores Obama.

Reality has a liberal bias.

And I'm starting to think ShadowGirl is a troll/drive-by poster.



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25 May 2009, 12:12 am

Actually FNC is very harsh on president Obama.

Yes we do have a 1 party system masquerading as a two party system. Until I become Emperor of Earth, it will have to do!


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25 May 2009, 4:01 am

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Yes we do have a 1 party system masquerading as a two party system. Until I become Emperor of Earth, it will have to do!

Or maybe, just maybe, you could take a look at some of the democracies across the pond.


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26 May 2009, 12:28 pm

JoJerome wrote:
And I'm starting to think ShadowGirl is a troll/drive-by poster.


I agree. :evil:


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27 May 2009, 7:03 pm

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Considering that the moron led the country into a war to avenge 9/11 against a country that had nothing to do with it, vandalized the environment, arranged taxes to take from the poor and give to the rich, ran the country from a condition of economic surplus to mountainous debt, violated the constitution in all sorts of very grave ways, trashed science and intelligence in any way possible, inserted all sorts of brutality and torture into official legal process, watched New Orleans slip into chaos from tropical storm and barely lifted a hand for real help, and the American people did little or nothing to even slow him down, I wonder who is to blame. If the country permits a moron to do this, what rating can the country that permitted this have?


Truer words have rarely been spoken. Sad but true.

And I'm an American. I have gotten into some pretty heated exchanges with people for suggesting that Bush getting re-elected says more about Americans than Bush's policies say/said about America.

And if you want/need the chance to be forced to practice tolerance, patience, forebearance, etc, try being in MY situation: My wife, who I love/cherish very much, voted for that idiot Bush not once but twice! :oops:


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28 May 2009, 12:32 am

Obama's anything but stupid. He (and, to give credit where it is do, his public relations people) managed to completely reverse the structure of grassroots campaigning. Rather than the popular movement being bottom-up, influencing and pressuring the president into certain policies, Obama's activists take their orders top-down.

Obama's accomplished this all the while maintaining an illusion that his candidacy was actually people powered or people inspired. Not to mention his ability to guise up American exceptionalism in a (using the American sense of the term) "liberal" cover. "In no other country is this even possible" was such a testament to the greatness of American democracy, truly a well-needed national ego stimulus.

Back to his reinvention of grassroots activism, he and his PR advisors managed to tap a $500 million base of netroots activist small-donors. In a mark of graditude, he was also able to denigrate the "online audience".

Not to mention the genius of Obama's ability to challenge torture directly conducted by the United States but to ignore torture the United States outsource to the Syrians (among others).

He's managed to get the financial officials who brought the US into recession, including some people who failed to pay their taxes (I'll never forget a Times article denigrating this matter of principle as mere "fussing" by some "IRS bureaucrat". The pertinent point that people connected to Wall Street may have vested interests being unworthy of mention.). It is terrific that failing firms can be bailed out with public money and then use those funds for CEO bonuses.

Economists like Nobel Prize winning Paul Krugman or Dean Baker (one of the few to accurately predict the spiral into recession) are passed over while Geithner and Summers rule supreme. A particularly pertinent quote should be Baker's...

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I saw Andrea Mitchell tonight talking about who President Obama will turn to for help in dealing with the financial crisis. The first two names were at the top of the list of people who gave us the financial crisis: Robert Rubin and Larry Summers. This would be a bit like turning to Osama Bin Laden for aid in the war on terrorism.


All in all, Obama is anything but stupid. He is a testament to the power of Public Relations and perception. He has remolded American exceptionalism into a "liberal" form, which the Europeans (and, to be honest, Canadians as well) seem to love. Thank goodness US domestic and foreign policy can be superficially rebranded without serious institutional reform. "Brand Obama", a much softer, more well-managed form of corporate world domination. Hurray for his genius, to reiterate the pertinent point that he is anything but dumb.