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16 Apr 2012, 3:15 am

*lights cigar*


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16 Apr 2012, 6:53 am

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*lights cigar*


Why?



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16 Apr 2012, 7:43 am

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*lights cigar*


Why?


Because it's delicious. The fact that it annoys the people who I'd wish to annoy anyway is merely a bonus.


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16 Apr 2012, 7:49 am

Dox47 wrote:
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*lights cigar*


Why?


Because it's delicious. The fact that it annoys the people who I'd wish to annoy anyway is merely a bonus.


So, you admit that smokers are out to annoy people. It seemeth the pinnacle of silliness to engage in self-destructive behaviour for the purpose of annoying others.

It is like a child who tries to hurt himself in order to get his parents' attention.



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16 Apr 2012, 7:55 am

My mother died of a smoking induced stroke yesterday morning.
She died one arm and one leg at a time over a period of ten years.
Anybody who smokes OR forces others to breath their disgusting filth is INSANE.



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16 Apr 2012, 8:03 am

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My mother died of a smoking induced stroke yesterday morning.
She died one arm and one leg at a time over a period of ten years.
Anybody who smokes OR forces others to breath their disgusting filth is INSANE.


:salut:



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16 Apr 2012, 8:12 am

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My mother died of a smoking induced stroke yesterday morning.
She died one arm and one leg at a time over a period of ten years.
Anybody who smokes OR forces others to breath their disgusting filth is INSANE.


Smoking is a vile nasty habit. Smokers should do their smoking far away from others who want no part of their air pollution.

Either smoke in an open place at least a hundred yards away from the nearest non-smoker or smoke in a room that is totally isolated from outside air and is buffered by effective filters.

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16 Apr 2012, 8:15 am

ruveyn wrote:
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My mother died of a smoking induced stroke yesterday morning.
She died one arm and one leg at a time over a period of ten years.
Anybody who smokes OR forces others to breath their disgusting filth is INSANE.


Smoking is a vile nasty habit. Smokers should do their smoking far away from others who want no part of their air pollution.

Either smoke in an open place at least a hundred yards away from the nearest non-smoker or smoke in a room that is totally isolated from outside air and is buffered by effective filters.

ruveyn


:salut:



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16 Apr 2012, 8:36 am

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So, you admit that smokers are out to annoy people. It seemeth the pinnacle of silliness to engage in self-destructive behaviour for the purpose of annoying others.

It is like a child who tries to hurt himself in order to get his parents' attention.


No, I admit that I smoke because I find the experience pleasurable, and add that the people who tend to be offended are not people I particularly care about offending. I'd think you of all people would understand that, having made a bit of a second career out of selectively annoying people and all.


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16 Apr 2012, 9:44 am

Dox47 wrote:
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So, you admit that smokers are out to annoy people. It seemeth the pinnacle of silliness to engage in self-destructive behaviour for the purpose of annoying others.

It is like a child who tries to hurt himself in order to get his parents' attention.


No, I admit that I smoke because I find the experience pleasurable, and add that the people who tend to be offended are not people I particularly care about offending. I'd think you of all people would understand that, having made a bit of a second career out of selectively annoying people and all.


I have no such career. However, thanks for letting us know that you enjoy offending people.



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16 Apr 2012, 1:40 pm

Dox47 wrote:
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*lights cigar*


Why?


Because it's delicious. The fact that it annoys the people who I'd wish to annoy anyway is merely a bonus.


:salut:

*lights up a smoke*


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16 Apr 2012, 1:55 pm

Time for a cig.



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16 Apr 2012, 2:21 pm

I know I've quit for good when reading all this cig talk actually makes ever taking it up again seem less appealing.


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16 Apr 2012, 2:32 pm

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well crap I'm going to hide in a sterile room and never touch anything than.


I didn't mean to scare anyone :) I just wanted to show that there is no escaping the natural cancer risk, or the man-made cancer risk that is an inescapable part of modern life. It is important to realize how low the cancer rate is despite all these carcinogenes that we're exposed to on a daily basis. For example, the chance of a 30 year old person to develop lung cancer within the next 10 years is only 0.02%.

Even if smoking increases this risk by a factor of 10, that's still only 0.2%. In comparison, the chance of an American person to die in a traffic accident within a decade is 0.15%, which is pretty much the same. Anyway, my point was that people who berate smokers might have an equally high cancer risk themselves due to factors like overweight, an unhealthy diet, or bad air quality at their place of residence.

Of course it does make sense to try and live healthy, within reason. You can greatly lower your cancer risk if you stop smoking, take a vow of celibacy, move to the countryside, and munch raw vegetables for dinner. The question is, are a few more years really worth all this trouble? Everybody has to decide that for themselves. And since very few of us live in a remote monastery and only eat home-grown food, we have no business berating each other for our potentially unhealthy habits. In other words, let smokers smoke. Just like the thread title says :)


I don't know where the above "facts" come from (maybe a tobacco company's website?), but smokers do seem to be masters at the art of self-deception.

http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/lung/basic_in ... actors.htm

Actually there are carcinogens in the air, various materials ect....I thought this was common knowledge.

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Cigarette smoking is the number one risk factor for lung cancer. In the United States, cigarette smoking causes about 90% of lung cancers. Tobacco smoke is a toxic mix of more than 7,000 chemicals. Many are poisons. At least 70 are known to cause cancer in people or animals. People who smoke are 15 to 30 times more likely to get lung cancer or die from lung cancer than people who do not smoke...

Smoking can cause cancer almost anywhere in the body. Smoking causes cancer of the mouth, nose, throat, voicebox (larynx), esophagus, bladder, kidney, pancreas, cervix, stomach, blood, and bone marrow (acute myeloid leukemia).


Of course cigarette smoking contributes to lung cancer, and is a major factor....but the government tends to exagerate things and use more emotional terms like 'smoking causes lung cancer!' no it contributes to lung cancer....it is a factor, show me a study that proves all these cases of lung cancer where caused by cigarette smoke alone.

Other factors include:
inhalation of non cigarette smoke....such as campfire smoke, everyone's had campfire smoke blow in their face I'm pretty sure.
inhalation of carcinogens in the air
genetic predisposition for lung cancer
just to name a couple.


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16 Apr 2012, 2:35 pm

Regardless, the number one cause is considered smoking. Its not like most people who get lung cancer were destined to get it, any more than people who get cancer from asbestos were.


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16 Apr 2012, 2:36 pm

ruveyn wrote:
piroflip wrote:
My mother died of a smoking induced stroke yesterday morning.
She died one arm and one leg at a time over a period of ten years.
Anybody who smokes OR forces others to breath their disgusting filth is INSANE.


Smoking is a vile nasty habit. Smokers should do their smoking far away from others who want no part of their air pollution.

Either smoke in an open place at least a hundred yards away from the nearest non-smoker or smoke in a room that is totally isolated from outside air and is buffered by effective filters.

ruveyn


And how do you determine who's a smoker and who's not? also what if I want to smoke at my friends house not in a room that is totally isolated from outside air or buffered by filters? shouldn't I have the right if he chooses to have smoking in his house?


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