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18 Aug 2011, 10:11 am

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Am I the only guy who likes Obama anymore?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Although I hope so, unfortunately that probability is low. Hopefully for the rest of us who don't want another Depression it's not going to be enough to win the next election.


My question was more half humorous, half rhetorical.
But I will continue to stick by my man, Barack, even though he's so far knuckled down to the plutocrats who want to redistribute all the nation's wealth to the top 1%, solely for the sake of being a conciliator.

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Look, there should be better laws regarding equality of contracts, but the notion of the state declaring eminent domain upon one's belongings, no matter how rich or poor, does not bode well with me. People who are merely heads of businesses shouldn't be contractually benefited from the work of others as much as they are. There should be better measures as to job performance and perhaps a maximum wage or something but not through excessive taxation. Having the contracts of employment, housing, etc, made into negotiable items for each party would be a start, and having such refereed to ensure that swindling doesn't occur would also be good.


I'm not talking about excessive taxation - just a return to the rate under Bill Clinton, which is what Obama wants.

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Is he planning on mimicking Clinton now? If that fails in the current situation will he then blame slick willy for his problems?


Considering that we had pretty amazing prosperity under Clinton, Obama certainly could choose a worse role model.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


We had pretty amazing prosperity during Clinton, but during that time a lot of new technologies were being invented and refined as well providing their own economic benefit. Obama seeking to copycat Clinton during different economic circumstances, such as a bloody recession, is probably going to do little better than his continuing Bush's policies and simultaneously blaming Bush for his doing nothing.



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18 Aug 2011, 10:19 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Am I the only guy who likes Obama anymore?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Although I hope so, unfortunately that probability is low. Hopefully for the rest of us who don't want another Depression it's not going to be enough to win the next election.


And when exactly did this depression end? it is actually still going on.....or maybe it is just still going on in Colorado where I live but somehow I find that doubtful...and of course the government never did use the term 'economic depression' because apparently the American people cannot handle the truth...I guess.



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18 Aug 2011, 10:29 am

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Am I the only guy who likes Obama anymore?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Although I hope so, unfortunately that probability is low. Hopefully for the rest of us who don't want another Depression it's not going to be enough to win the next election.


And when exactly did this depression end? it is actually still going on.....or maybe it is just still going on in Colorado where I live but somehow I find that doubtful...and of course the government never did use the term 'economic depression' because apparently the American people cannot handle the truth...I guess.


The first one ended decades ago, but our current depression/recession/"Obama recovery" is still continuing.



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18 Aug 2011, 11:11 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Look, there should be better laws regarding equality of contracts, but the notion of the state declaring eminent domain upon one's belongings, no matter how rich or poor, does not bode well with me. People who are merely heads of businesses shouldn't be contractually benefited from the work of others as much as they are. There should be better measures as to job performance and perhaps a maximum wage or something but not through excessive taxation. Having the contracts of employment, housing, etc, made into negotiable items for each party would be a start, and having such refereed to ensure that swindling doesn't occur would also be good.

Your economic views are much, much farther left than mine. It's sad that you can be so easily duped into voting against your own interests and your beliefs by the culture warriors, who don't even do a damn thing to actually advance your social conservative beliefs.


Enough with the "voting against your own interests" mantra.

Well, it's true. The economic views you have espoused (both here and in the past) are well to the left not only of the Republicans, but also of the Democrats. The only thing you seem to match up with the GOP on is the whole culture warrior thing, but voting them in doesn't help you on that front since elected Republicans focus on pushing their economic agenda- which hurts you and almost everyone else in this country.


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18 Aug 2011, 11:20 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Am I the only guy who likes Obama anymore?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Although I hope so, unfortunately that probability is low. Hopefully for the rest of us who don't want another Depression it's not going to be enough to win the next election.


And when exactly did this depression end? it is actually still going on.....or maybe it is just still going on in Colorado where I live but somehow I find that doubtful...and of course the government never did use the term 'economic depression' because apparently the American people cannot handle the truth...I guess.


The first one ended decades ago, but our current depression/recession/"Obama recovery" is still continuing.


I hope you don't think Obama single handedly caused it all.....that is a rather ridiculous notion considering how little power the president has......but what recovery, it is not a recovery the same problems are still here and a lot of things are still getting worse.



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18 Aug 2011, 11:28 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Am I the only guy who likes Obama anymore?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Although I hope so, unfortunately that probability is low. Hopefully for the rest of us who don't want another Depression it's not going to be enough to win the next election.


And when exactly did this depression end? it is actually still going on.....or maybe it is just still going on in Colorado where I live but somehow I find that doubtful...and of course the government never did use the term 'economic depression' because apparently the American people cannot handle the truth...I guess.


The first one ended decades ago, but our current depression/recession/"Obama recovery" is still continuing.


I hope you don't think Obama single handedly caused it all.....that is a rather ridiculous notion considering how little power the president has......but what recovery, it is not a recovery the same problems are still here and a lot of things are still getting worse.


I know it's not entirely his fault, however he's done nothing to really help with the situation and continues to shift the blame to anyone else as explanations as to why his "recovery" programs aren't working.



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18 Aug 2011, 11:33 am

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Well, it's true. The economic views you have espoused (both here and in the past) are well to the left not only of the Republicans, but also of the Democrats. The only thing you seem to match up with the GOP on is the whole culture warrior thing, but voting them in doesn't help you on that front since elected Republicans focus on pushing their economic agenda- which hurts you and almost everyone else in this country.


Right, well, whatever. I'm not voting Democrat regardless of your assessment of my views. I rather have RINOs in office than full fledged Democrats with their rhetoric of entitlements and attempts to appeal to the poorly disguised selfishness of their voters.



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18 Aug 2011, 12:23 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Well, it's true. The economic views you have espoused (both here and in the past) are well to the left not only of the Republicans, but also of the Democrats. The only thing you seem to match up with the GOP on is the whole culture warrior thing, but voting them in doesn't help you on that front since elected Republicans focus on pushing their economic agenda- which hurts you and almost everyone else in this country.


Right, well, whatever. I'm not voting Democrat regardless of your assessment of my views. I rather have RINOs in office than full fledged Democrats with their rhetoric of entitlements and attempts to appeal to the poorly disguised selfishness of their voters.


Selfishness? As compared to the FYIGM (F U, I got mine) philosophy of the Tea Party, that seems to be a strange sentiment.

I have to agree with Orwell here. A maximum wage? I don't even think Bill Maher would come out with that one. I like it, but I'm often pretty far to the left.



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18 Aug 2011, 12:28 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Well, it's true. The economic views you have espoused (both here and in the past) are well to the left not only of the Republicans, but also of the Democrats. The only thing you seem to match up with the GOP on is the whole culture warrior thing, but voting them in doesn't help you on that front since elected Republicans focus on pushing their economic agenda- which hurts you and almost everyone else in this country.


Right, well, whatever. I'm not voting Democrat regardless of your assessment of my views. I rather have RINOs in office than full fledged Democrats with their rhetoric of entitlements and attempts to appeal to the poorly disguised selfishness of their voters.


Selfishness? As compared to the FYIGM (F U, I got mine) philosophy of the Tea Party, that seems to be a strange sentiment.

I have to agree with Orwell here. A maximum wage? I don't even think Bill Maher would come out with that one. I like it, but I'm often pretty far to the left.


A maximum wage would probably be a bad idea if ever implemented, but why not mandate in legal form that the upper and upper-middle management of megacorporations and umbrella companies can only derive so much income off of those under them? They do it by taxation anyway, which just leads to creative accounting, but if it were not through taxation but instead through legislation then perhaps the money that executives leach from those who work under them might have more chance at remaining with those who actually earn the money. However, with how most giant companies are international organizations it probably would fail just on the basis of that.



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18 Aug 2011, 12:37 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Well, it's true. The economic views you have espoused (both here and in the past) are well to the left not only of the Republicans, but also of the Democrats. The only thing you seem to match up with the GOP on is the whole culture warrior thing, but voting them in doesn't help you on that front since elected Republicans focus on pushing their economic agenda- which hurts you and almost everyone else in this country.


Right, well, whatever. I'm not voting Democrat regardless of your assessment of my views. I rather have RINOs in office than full fledged Democrats with their rhetoric of entitlements and attempts to appeal to the poorly disguised selfishness of their voters.


I'm not going to let you get away with calling those who disagree with your right-wing politics "selfish" if you're going to whine about conservatives being called callous and cold-hearted towards people who can't afford treatment for illnesses they otherwise have no control over. All the outrage over "socialized medicine" is quite obnoxious given how people all over the rest of the developed world are much happier under their "socialized medicine" than Americans are under our "social darwinist medicine" where middle class people get to choose between receiving treatment for a chronic illness or having a roof over their head because it's impossible to afford both.



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18 Aug 2011, 12:39 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Well, it's true. The economic views you have espoused (both here and in the past) are well to the left not only of the Republicans, but also of the Democrats. The only thing you seem to match up with the GOP on is the whole culture warrior thing, but voting them in doesn't help you on that front since elected Republicans focus on pushing their economic agenda- which hurts you and almost everyone else in this country.


Right, well, whatever. I'm not voting Democrat regardless of your assessment of my views. I rather have RINOs in office than full fledged Democrats with their rhetoric of entitlements and attempts to appeal to the poorly disguised selfishness of their voters.


I'm not going to let you get away with calling those who disagree with your right-wing politics "selfish" if you're going to whine about conservatives being called callous and cold-hearted towards people who can't afford treatment for illnesses they otherwise have no control over. All the outrage over "socialized medicine" is quite obnoxious given how people all over the rest of the developed world are much happier under their "socialized medicine" than Americans are under our "social darwinist medicine" where middle class people get to choose between receiving treatment for a chronic illness or having a roof over their head because it's impossible to afford both.


Emigrate if you think it's so better elsewhere.



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18 Aug 2011, 12:43 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Well, it's true. The economic views you have espoused (both here and in the past) are well to the left not only of the Republicans, but also of the Democrats. The only thing you seem to match up with the GOP on is the whole culture warrior thing, but voting them in doesn't help you on that front since elected Republicans focus on pushing their economic agenda- which hurts you and almost everyone else in this country.


Right, well, whatever. I'm not voting Democrat regardless of your assessment of my views. I rather have RINOs in office than full fledged Democrats with their rhetoric of entitlements and attempts to appeal to the poorly disguised selfishness of their voters.


I'm not going to let you get away with calling those who disagree with your right-wing politics "selfish" if you're going to whine about conservatives being called callous and cold-hearted towards people who can't afford treatment for illnesses they otherwise have no control over. All the outrage over "socialized medicine" is quite obnoxious given how people all over the rest of the developed world are much happier under their "socialized medicine" than Americans are under our "social darwinist medicine" where middle class people get to choose between receiving treatment for a chronic illness or having a roof over their head because it's impossible to afford both.


Emigrate if you think it's so better elsewhere.

Annoying butthurt response.

Conservatives don't have a monopoly over this country so don't you dare tell me to leave. It's called democracy. Suck it up.



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18 Aug 2011, 12:48 pm

marshall wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
marshall wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Well, it's true. The economic views you have espoused (both here and in the past) are well to the left not only of the Republicans, but also of the Democrats. The only thing you seem to match up with the GOP on is the whole culture warrior thing, but voting them in doesn't help you on that front since elected Republicans focus on pushing their economic agenda- which hurts you and almost everyone else in this country.


Right, well, whatever. I'm not voting Democrat regardless of your assessment of my views. I rather have RINOs in office than full fledged Democrats with their rhetoric of entitlements and attempts to appeal to the poorly disguised selfishness of their voters.


I'm not going to let you get away with calling those who disagree with your right-wing politics "selfish" if you're going to whine about conservatives being called callous and cold-hearted towards people who can't afford treatment for illnesses they otherwise have no control over. All the outrage over "socialized medicine" is quite obnoxious given how people all over the rest of the developed world are much happier under their "socialized medicine" than Americans are under our "social darwinist medicine" where middle class people get to choose between receiving treatment for a chronic illness or having a roof over their head because it's impossible to afford both.


Emigrate if you think it's so better elsewhere.


Conservatives don't have a monopoly over this country so don't you dare tell me to leave. It's called democracy. Suck it up.


Stay if you want to, go if you want to. Whatever. I don't like how much things cost here either but my wife and I get by. As for you though, if you really want to see the utopias you think are elsewhere you should emigrate and experience them firsthand. It would probably give you new things to complain about, of course everything wrong still being only the fault of conservatives and having nothing to do with a lack of forethought as to the consequences of high and lofty ideas moving from paper to practice.



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18 Aug 2011, 12:53 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
marshall wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
marshall wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Well, it's true. The economic views you have espoused (both here and in the past) are well to the left not only of the Republicans, but also of the Democrats. The only thing you seem to match up with the GOP on is the whole culture warrior thing, but voting them in doesn't help you on that front since elected Republicans focus on pushing their economic agenda- which hurts you and almost everyone else in this country.


Right, well, whatever. I'm not voting Democrat regardless of your assessment of my views. I rather have RINOs in office than full fledged Democrats with their rhetoric of entitlements and attempts to appeal to the poorly disguised selfishness of their voters.


I'm not going to let you get away with calling those who disagree with your right-wing politics "selfish" if you're going to whine about conservatives being called callous and cold-hearted towards people who can't afford treatment for illnesses they otherwise have no control over. All the outrage over "socialized medicine" is quite obnoxious given how people all over the rest of the developed world are much happier under their "socialized medicine" than Americans are under our "social darwinist medicine" where middle class people get to choose between receiving treatment for a chronic illness or having a roof over their head because it's impossible to afford both.


Emigrate if you think it's so better elsewhere.


Conservatives don't have a monopoly over this country so don't you dare tell me to leave. It's called democracy. Suck it up.


Stay if you want to, go if you want to. Whatever. I don't like how much things cost here either but my wife and I get by. As for you though, if you really want to see the utopias you think are elsewhere you should emigrate and experience them firsthand. It would probably give you new things to complain about, of course everything wrong still being only the fault of conservatives and having nothing to do with a lack of forethought as to the consequences of high and lofty ideas moving from paper to practice.


The thing is such "high and lofty ideals" as universal healthcare works just fine in other countries who are no more "bankrupt" financially than we are. In any case, I'd rather work to make this country better than move somewhere else. If all the non-right-wingers moved out of this country things would really go to crap. I'm not going to live to see that happen.



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18 Aug 2011, 12:54 pm

marshall wrote:
Annoying butthurt response.

Conservatives don't have a monopoly over this country so don't you dare tell me to leave. It's called democracy. Suck it up.


Haha, you do realize that it would actually make more sense if written out this way:

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Annoying butthurt response: Conservatives don't have a monopoly over this country so don't you dare tell me to leave. It's called democracy. Suck it up.



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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Well, it's true. The economic views you have espoused (both here and in the past) are well to the left not only of the Republicans, but also of the Democrats. The only thing you seem to match up with the GOP on is the whole culture warrior thing, but voting them in doesn't help you on that front since elected Republicans focus on pushing their economic agenda- which hurts you and almost everyone else in this country.


Right, well, whatever. I'm not voting Democrat regardless of your assessment of my views. I rather have RINOs in office than full fledged Democrats with their rhetoric of entitlements and attempts to appeal to the poorly disguised selfishness of their voters.


Selfishness? As compared to the FYIGM (F U, I got mine) philosophy of the Tea Party, that seems to be a strange sentiment.

I have to agree with Orwell here. A maximum wage? I don't even think Bill Maher would come out with that one. I like it, but I'm often pretty far to the left.


A maximum wage would probably be a bad idea if ever implemented, but why not mandate in legal form that the upper and upper-middle management of megacorporations and umbrella companies can only derive so much income off of those under them? They do it by taxation anyway, which just leads to creative accounting, but if it were not through taxation but instead through legislation then perhaps the money that executives leach from those who work under them might have more chance at remaining with those who actually earn the money. However, with how most giant companies are international organizations it probably would fail just on the basis of that.


Spoken like a true socialist :P

There is currently no sort of legislation or taxation that limits leeching which is probably why it's so rampant in today's economy. I think a lot of the insane compensation packages often consist of large stock shares, so maybe we could enact some sort of legislation requiring that workers be offered a certain percentage of the stock, that way growth is more equally shared.