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26 Jan 2017, 8:58 am

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Putin is a ancient of the KGB; so that he built vast intelligence networks and is using propaganda to undermine other nations is rather credible and should have been expected.


1. Putin was never a KGB agent. He worked for an entirely different agency.

2. The KGB hasn't existed since 1991.



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26 Jan 2017, 9:05 am

nurseangela wrote:
Whoever changed the thread name back, thank you. I appreciate it.


It should be changed to, "our new orange dictator".

I like jokes about Trump, when they're jokes. But I see a lot of people, especially the late night TV people, not really joking as much as outright attacking.

I thought this was pretty funny, without being cruel.



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26 Jan 2017, 9:15 am

EzraS wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Whoever changed the thread name back, thank you. I appreciate it.


It should be changed to, "our new orange dictator".

I like jokes about Trump, when they're jokes. But I see a lot of people, especially the late night TV people, not really joking as much as outright attacking.

I thought this was pretty funny, without being cruel.



Maybe a little cruel to Hillary Clinton.



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26 Jan 2017, 9:25 am

nurseangela wrote:
Regarding the stockmarket:

Dow closes above 20,000 for first time as Trump orders send stocks flying. http://tiny.iavian.net/ews3

Economist: Stock Market Gained $2T in Wealth Since Trump Elected. http://tiny.iavian.net/ewwt

U.S. Rally Is the Envy of Stock Markets Worldwide. http://tiny.iavian.net/ewvu


I'm waiting for someone to say something like, "Germany's stock skyrocketed too, right after Hitler took over". There can be no good with this presidency, everything must be viewed as a bad omen.



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26 Jan 2017, 9:54 am

EzraS wrote:
Tollorin wrote:
Putin is a ancient of the KGB; so that he built vast intelligence networks and is using propaganda to undermine other nations is rather credible and should have been expected.


1. Putin was never a KGB agent. He worked for an entirely different agency.

2. The KGB hasn't existed since 1991.

What agency is that? His official bio has him working there.
I can't even figure out what 2 is supposed to mean. I assume you put as much thought into the logical progression of ideas as you put into research on 1. You can take someone's badge, but you can't take their knowledge, personal contacts, or secret supply of embarrassing documents.


Just thinking about the back and forth between Trump and Pena Nieto. Relations between the countries get worse, but their personal relationship gets better. Hey, Don, can you talk about building the wall again? My approval is headed back to the toilet. Ernie! Okay, but you should just stop drinking the water. HAHAHA! HAHAHA! You joker, Don! Remember, I get the last word this time!


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26 Jan 2017, 10:05 am

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As for a Trump reelection: I wouldn't be surprised if his own party impeached him for incompetence due to his "alternative facts," his war on the media, and his general estrangement from reality.

War crimes and false facts to justify wars didn't stop left and right wing parties getting reelected for 2nd or 3rd terms (Labour in the UK, Republicans in the US) so why would Trump not get reelected for an interpretation of facts you disagree with? Partisanship is truly the cotton wool over the eyes of men.


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26 Jan 2017, 10:12 am

Putin was a KGB agent for 16 years.

He has been in power for 18 years under various titles.



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26 Jan 2017, 10:27 am

The Mexican president can't run for reelection so their approval ratings probably don't matter much. It will be interesting to see what happens in their election in 2018, if Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador wins then we will need that wall since Mexico might start looking like Venezuela or Cuba sooner than later. I think instead of putting our military on the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan maybe they should protect ours.



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26 Jan 2017, 10:33 am

Approval ratings don't matter to a politician? No argument is too absurd, evidently.

It was more of a funny aside than anything, but my general point is that it is a good idea to look behind the headlines and examine hidden motivations. I just like those hidden motivations to conform to the trend of available evidence. I don't find it plausible to call someone a total liar, invent a scary agenda, and look for evidence to support it.


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26 Jan 2017, 10:38 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
Approval ratings don't matter to a politician? No argument is too absurd, evidently.


You really need to stop trying so hard. I said it doesn't matter much since the Mexican president can only serve one single 6 year term thus the need to maintain public support is not as important. Mexico has only really been democratic for a relatively short amount of time, PRI ruled the country as essentially a one party state.



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26 Jan 2017, 10:55 am

Jacoby wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
Approval ratings don't matter to a politician? No argument is too absurd, evidently.


You really need to stop trying so hard. I said it doesn't matter much since the Mexican president can only serve one single 6 year term thus the need to maintain public support is not as important. Mexico has only really been democratic for a relatively short amount of time, PRI ruled the country as essentially a one party state.

I think we might be starting to have an exchange, and then you do this. I should just make a numbered chart so I can refer to your gaslighting tactics with shorthand. A personal attack followed by a mix of condescension and irrelevancies.

Politicians personally care about approval ratings. The evidence suggests that the less democratic they are, the more they care about them. Dictators have the highest ones, after all :D They don't have to worry about reelection, either.

I'm still stunned by learning that our new leader has the exact philosophy that Engel's called reactionary socialist. I get that Trump would not like the label, but it fits really well. His burning tears for the suffering of America's workers are a lesson to anyone who wants to connect with the proletariat. He wants to go back to an earlier time, when you knew who had the authority: the church, the job creators, rich people and celebrities (the American aristocracy). He definitely wants to go back to older cultural values.

We disagree about whether it is possible, but it is notable that all the commies take the position that Trump is pursuing an impossible goal.

Will Trump side with the working man or the oligarchs? It remains to be seen.


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26 Jan 2017, 10:57 am

Read up on Mexico's history.



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26 Jan 2017, 11:06 am

Jacoby wrote:
Read up on Mexico's history.

I'm not sure where anything I've said shows a misunderstanding of Mexico's history. You want to push the idea that I am ignorant by repetition, I guess.

I don't feel the need to do any more than point out the tactics. I can let the accusation stand and people can draw their own conclusions about it. Arguing back to your every wild imagining is no fun for me.


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26 Jan 2017, 11:09 am

You are trying to make the debate topic me more so than actually having a point to what you are saying, if you want a clue on where you went wrong it's when you replied to me. Do not talk to me any longer.

anyways

the president's approval rating just hit 59% according to Rasmussen

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... rack_jan26

:P :mrgreen:



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26 Jan 2017, 11:10 am

I don't think reasoned replies violate ToS, but I guess we'll find out.


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26 Jan 2017, 11:20 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
I don't think reasoned replies violate ToS, but I guess we'll find out.


Maybe this is a spectrum issue and you don't understand so I will explain, when I made a post about approval ratings the response you made was not well reasoned and was unnecessary and the only point was to try to needle at me. Who do you think you're convincing? I think you're having delusions of grandeur if you think there is this huge audience cheering you on. Now you went back and edited your post to add a little but you have made a deliberate effort to annoy and attempt to be quippy. I don't have any more interest in discussing anything with you.