What's the political climate like in the UK right now?

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Nope. But what's happening to free speech, expression and journalism is something to get mad about. What's happened to Assange is something to be mad about. I'm not asking you to care about it.

It was already well on it's way to happening when the obvious MSM bait was laid to catch people out.

Take the Assange derails to the Assange thread.

I mean, even if you don't think he committed rape, hard to argue that he hasn't failed to appear in court.

Not really relevant though?

This will be relevant later.

I mean, no. As I understand it there have basically been three investigations into Assange:

1) In the UK he is wanted to obstruction of justice and other technical crimes.
2) In Sweden he was wanted for three sexual crimes which were all the same act. Two of the charges have expired.
3) The US has recently filed charges against Assange for publishing secret documents, and in doing so endangering the lives of many innocent people.

Now you might think that proving some wrongdoing means that endangering lives in the process is OK. Fine. That's a reasonable judgement call. It may even make you admire someone so much that you don't care that they did some bad things. Again... fine. But does that change the fact that they did some bad things? People are often nuanced. Morgan Freeman and Kevin Spacey are two of my favourite actors but they're also perverts who have ruined many careers. Donald Trump is an idiot who endangers the world and is actively making America a worse place, but he also stood up to Assad's chemical attacks much better than the otherwise-great Obama ever did. Winona Ryder once stole $5,500 worth of goods from a shop when under the influence of drugs, but also gives large amounts of money to Native American charities.

Sometimes good people do bad things, and when they do they should face justice and eventually be forgiven if they repent. Sometimes bad people do good things, and when they do, they should receive measured praise but it shouldn't cancel out their bad deeds unless, again, they repent. Judges can't say "well, you did a really bad thing, but I like you so let's call it even" - that's a much too simplistic way of looking at things.

I couldn't find any information supporting this claim. I found a few articles from 2012 in which Assange's lawyer said he would make that case to the ICJ, but the commentary seemed to view that as a spurious argument as Assange's life has never been under threat. Regardless, the right to safe passage is not the right to smear your s**t on your host's walls.

What exactly are you claiming is fascism?

I would support that, but it's irrelevant to whether Assange committed any crimes.

That seems like an unrealistically high estimate but eh. More to the point, do you want journalists to be punished for doing their jobs now?

See my previous post for why he didn't appear in court. He had already been questioned by the first prosecutor in Sweden. The fact that Sweden refused to rule out extradition to the US shows it had nothing to do with the bogus rape claims. The sex was consensual but he didn't wear protection and the woman got angry because he refused to get tested. I'm not defending his actions there, but he's already had enough punishment for that.

All a crock. It's about silencing those who expose the US's crimes. The 'security' BS is always used by the US, and they didn't care about the Iraqi lives and Reuters journalists they murdered and tried to cover up. Blame those who carried out the crime not those exposing it.

Assange has done nothing wrong, he published information. Again, the gas attacks were done by Al Qaeda. And the one last year didn't happen.

I doubt those tales are even true, but he should never have been locked in the Embassy to begin with, he should be allowed home to Australia.

It's not a journalist's job to act like parrots for war propagandists, maybe in Nazi Germany it was. It is the job of a journalists to ask the tough questions and hold power to account.

There is already a thread on Assange Here.

Would you please stop derailing threads with unrelated topics?

Thank you.

Ok noted.

Please respond to me in that thread then if people want to discuss it. Thanks. And apologies.

1922 Committee meeting today to decide if they want to change their party rules to allow them to re-run the vote of no confidence as they believe they may have changed their minds

why does trump want assange when assange is about to expose the republicans this time ..



And the democrats ..





trump moves from china to eu, all countries wonder if they are next . #isolationism


andy murray ready to vote three times within near future.

what was brexit in the first place? basically its gaining back control instead of submitting to the wills of brussels , anti-immigration was def the first prirority . the the entire EU is tightening on it so.. it has a population roughly the same size of that of korea?. the norway-korea-ftse thing is probably whats on theresa mays mind.. nigel farage has no other policy other than gaining back control as a man with only one testicle remaining can be fairly ardent on such matters. then the millennials want to rejoin the EU in the future so idk.. so is scotland rn .

Gavin Williamson sacked over the National Security Council leak around Huewei

Just when you think our MP's can't sink any lower

It's been a very, very long time since that thought ever crossed my mind!

Imagine my lack of shock.

https://mobile.twitter.com/briangukc/st ... 5455137794

Local elections today, and parish elections for some folk which was far more interesting for me as my wife is trying to get voted in!