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30 Aug 2022, 5:02 pm

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I am talking about unintentionally.

Ok let's take one example of comedian Kevin Hart. His case caused so much outrage even Stormfront was supporting him, The reality was not just a an accidental mistake. If you watch the incident (which was over 10 years ago) Hart was clearly homophobic. The matter was addressed by Hart but was dragged back into the public eye when he was invited to host the Oscars. The flowback on social media resulted in Hart being asked not to host.

Hart's response was a little like Gina Carano's response which was to stand their ground. This was intentional.

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30 Aug 2022, 5:03 pm

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I've never ran into anyone who used crazy pronouns like zer or zeh.

What makes these particular letter combinations “crazy”?

Living languages are fluid. New words are added to the English language all the time.

Making up anything one likes and expect others to adopt it within a very short space of time doesn't strike me as reasonable.

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30 Aug 2022, 5:03 pm

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Calling someone a "They" to me feels little different to calling them a "Suitcase". It'll just make me feel awkward and I imagine a lot of others will experience the same thoughts.

When someone shares their pronouns, it is an indication of how they would like to be referred to in the third person.

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30 Aug 2022, 5:04 pm

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I have diagnosed autism and ADHD. My memory isn’t that great, either. I still can manage pronouns. Most people go by the old standbys. It’s just about remembering the exceptions among one’s acquaintances.

It should be quite manageable for most people.

I never had to use unusual pronouns but if I can't remember a name it's safe to say I can't remember a pronoun that isn't immediately obvious on appearance.

They also make me uncomfortable if a pronoun goes against my own logic. Calling someone a "They" to me feels little different to calling them a "Suitcase". It'll just make me feel awkward and I imagine a lot of others will experience the same thoughts.

Their comfort is more important here since it concerns their personal identity. You probably wouldn’t like to be regularly called a pronoun you didn’t identify with.

People who are uncomfortable with using a pronoun may want to work on that. I’m a big advocate for personal growth.

Who's to say that it's personal growth?

Using inclusive language is a way of showing kindness to others. I think that it’s a step in the right direction for individuals and society as a whole.

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30 Aug 2022, 5:04 pm

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I've never ran into anyone who used crazy pronouns like zer or zeh.

What makes these particular letter combinations “crazy”?

Living languages are fluid. New words are added to the English language all the time.

And I often don't remember new words either. It took me a while to remember the proper name for pacifier because I grew up it being called a binky so I didn't start remembering the proper name for it till high school because I had to looking at the name on the packages in the baby section for it to sink in.

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30 Aug 2022, 5:05 pm

Doberdoofus wrote:

Nades wrote:

Calling someone a "They" to me feels little different to calling them a "Suitcase". It'll just make me feel awkward and I imagine a lot of others will experience the same thoughts.

When someone shares their pronouns, it is an indication of how they would like to be referred to in the third person.

Indeed it is.

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30 Aug 2022, 5:05 pm

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I've never ran into anyone who used crazy pronouns like zer or zeh.

What makes these particular letter combinations “crazy”?

Living languages are fluid. New words are added to the English language all the time.

Making up anything one likes and expect others to adopt it within a very short space of time doesn't strike me as reasonable.

We don’t seem to share similar views on what is or isn’t reasonable.

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30 Aug 2022, 5:05 pm

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Using inclusive language is a way of showing kindness to others. I think that it’s a step in the right direction for individuals and society as a whole.

^^^ It's about at least making an effort.

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30 Aug 2022, 5:06 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:

Nades wrote:

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Who's to say that it's personal growth?

Using inclusive language is a way of showing kindness to others. I think that it’s a step in the right direction for individuals and society as a whole.

Doesn't sound very inclusive to me or the elderly who might be oblivious to all of this.

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30 Aug 2022, 5:07 pm

cyberdad wrote:

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Using inclusive language is a way of showing kindness to others. I think that it’s a step in the right direction for individuals and society as a whole.

^^^ It's about at least making an effort.

Indeed it is, and it’s not even about a lot of effort.

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30 Aug 2022, 5:08 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:

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I've never ran into anyone who used crazy pronouns like zer or zeh.

What makes these particular letter combinations “crazy”?

Living languages are fluid. New words are added to the English language all the time.

Making up anything one likes and expect others to adopt it within a very short space of time doesn't strike me as reasonable.

We don’t seem to share similar views on what is or isn’t reasonable.

We don't. I can't help but think your proficiency with the English language is skewing you're notions of what others find reasonable.

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30 Aug 2022, 5:08 pm

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Honestly. They are trivial to me.
I have a hard time remembering names as it is so pronouns are just off the table for me.

A lot of NTs and many folk on this forum think using the r-word is trivial. I was watching a documentary where people impacted by slurs whether abelist/racist or misogynist experience the slur in their brain like getting hit in the face in public.
I was so impacted by that I realise I probably have been accidentally misogynist and probably need to personally grow myslef

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30 Aug 2022, 5:09 pm

When I first moved to Montana, they used a different term for the word ret*d. To this day I still can't remember what that word is. No one could be bothered to help me remember the new term for it and this was before intellectual impairment took place for the word. So I always got scolded for the R word and no one could be bothered correcting me about the new word so it would sink into my brain so it would be part of my daily vocabulary.

I notice my son has a bad memory too and he has ADHD. At least I am patient with him and have no issues reminding him and re showing him things so it sinks into his memory. I don't assume he does it on purpose.

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30 Aug 2022, 5:10 pm

Nades wrote:

Doesn't sound very inclusive to me or the elderly who might be oblivious to all of this.

Obviously, understanding should be shown to certain demographics.

This is not about hard and fast rules or laws. It’s about small things we can do to be considerate towards others.

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30 Aug 2022, 5:11 pm

cyberdad wrote:

Twilightprincess wrote:

Using inclusive language is a way of showing kindness to others. I think that it’s a step in the right direction for individuals and society as a whole.

^^^ It's about at least making an effort.

Problem is people don't think you're making an effort nor trying hard enough when you don't remember it fast enough. It's ableism.

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30 Aug 2022, 5:12 pm

Nades wrote:

Twilightprincess wrote:

Nades wrote:

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I've never ran into anyone who used crazy pronouns like zer or zeh.

What makes these particular letter combinations “crazy”?

Living languages are fluid. New words are added to the English language all the time.

Making up anything one likes and expect others to adopt it within a very short space of time doesn't strike me as reasonable.

We don’t seem to share similar views on what is or isn’t reasonable.

We don't. I can't help but think your proficiency with the English language is skewing you're notions of what others find reasonable.

I don’t think it is.

Most people are capable of remembering all sorts of things, including pronouns.

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