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25 Sep 2008, 7:36 pm

At least not for now? I agree that it would take a special group of people to pull it off. Why are people not ready for this?
I know it's complicated but it goes back to what we were talking about before, individual responsibility.
When people don't have a sense of identity, do not have original thoughts, are victims of brainwashing tactics,
there is no freedom. Do you want this kind of order?

Also, nature is full of chaos and so is the human at the soul level. Math is safe and comforting because it neatly ties into a box, a place for everything and everything in it's place. Where are there grey areas in math? Chever can probably explain that Fibonnaci video better than I can.


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25 Sep 2008, 8:05 pm

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When you want order, you have to strike a balance. Unfortunately, anarchy is not conducive to balance, at least not for now. And I disagree with laws and government in principle at least as much as you do.


So is it possible then, that these people responsible for these meaningless laws have a greater source other than a few aristocrats in politics?..


It's possible

But not probable

This is like saying "Government is kind of corrupt and sh***y, therefore Illuminati."

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At least not for now? I agree that it would take a special group of people to pull it off. Why are people not ready for this?
I know it's complicated but it goes back to what we were talking about before, individual responsibility.
When people don't have a sense of identity, do not have original thoughts, are victims of brainwashing tactics,
there is no freedom. Do you want this kind of order?


Based on how people drive on Route 22: yes.

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Also, nature is full of chaos and so is the human at the soul level. Math is safe and comforting because it neatly ties into a box, a place for everything and everything in it's place. Where are there grey areas in math?


  • Significance testing, confidence intervals, statistical decision procedures and the like are inherently uncertain
  • Game theory also works with imperfect information, because it usually depends on human decisions
  • Behavior of quantum particles in mathematical physics
  • Chaotic anything
  • Monte Carlo methods are fuzzy
  • Applications to art and music, they involve subjective judgments
  • Bayesian versus frequentist views of statistics
  • Philosophical debates like whether theorems that were proven with the aid of a computer should be accepted
  • Balancing detail versus tractability in modeling


...to name a few. It's completely unsurprising that a lot of the greatest mathematicians and hard scientists of the West in modern times were leftists, contrary to what you might have imagined.


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25 Sep 2008, 8:42 pm

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It's possible

But not probable

This is like saying "Government is kind of corrupt and sh***y, therefore Illuminati."



No, ACTUALLY it's like saying, here's a problem with a legitimate source, and I'm sure you know that, which is why your statement was stale and incomplete.

By the way, it's not ONE government, it's the entire fuckin world. . The Illuminati are global not National.. they own New York, China, Australia, Canada, Russia, and even Israel, Iran, Iraq.. they own every country, because the countries are just lines in the sand.

The entire world is already becoming identicle.. there is a reason why what used to be third world countries now have McDonalds everywhere just like America.. what kind of business is McDonalds to put its self all over the world map, when it can not reap global benefits to one person (unless there is a mob banking industry to lend a hand there).. I doubt that these countries were just screaming and begging 'Oh please you must bring McDonalds to our land! we want to get big and fat like you filthy Americans!'...

By the way... (Illuminati bloodlines)

1. The Astor Bloodline
2. The Bundy Bloodline
3. The Collins Bloodline
4. The DuPont Bloodline
5. The Freeman Bloodline
6. The Kennedy Bloodline
7. The Li Bloodline
8. The Onassis Bloodline
9. The Reynolds bloodline
10. The Rockefeller Bloodline
11. The Rothschild Bloodline
12. The Russell Bloodline
13. The Van Duyn Bloodline
[ Merovingian] (European Royal Families)

and inter-connected families

The Disney Bloodline
The Krupp Bloodline
The McDonald Bloodline



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25 Sep 2008, 8:48 pm

ShawnWilliam wrote:
No, ACTUALLY it's like saying, here's a problem with a legitimate source, and I'm sure you know that, which is why your statement was stale and incomplete.


What legitimate source? YouTube?

ShawnWilliam wrote:
By the way, it's not ONE government, it's the entire fuckin world. . The Illuminati are global not National.. they own New York, China, Australia, Canada, Russia, and even Israel, Iran, Iraq.. they own every country, because the countries are just lines in the sand.


How do you know this?

ShawnWilliam wrote:
The entire world is already becoming identicle.. there is a reason why what used to be third world countries now have McDonalds everywhere just like America.. what kind of business is McDonalds to put its self all over the world map, when it can not reap global benefits to one person (unless there is a mob banking industry to lend a hand there).. I doubt that these countries were just screaming and begging 'Oh please you must bring McDonalds to our land! we want to get big and fat like you filthy Americans!'...


I can't speak for everyone, but I know first-hand that Asians love our sh***y food.

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By the way... (Illuminati bloodlines)

1. The Astor Bloodline
2. The Bundy Bloodline
3. The Collins Bloodline
4. The DuPont Bloodline
5. The Freeman Bloodline
6. The Kennedy Bloodline
7. The Li Bloodline
8. The Onassis Bloodline
9. The Reynolds bloodline
10. The Rockefeller Bloodline
11. The Rothschild Bloodline
12. The Russell Bloodline
13. The Van Duyn Bloodline
[ Merovingian] (European Royal Families)

and inter-connected families

The Disney Bloodline
The Krupp Bloodline
The McDonald Bloodline


This is only a list. What is it supposed to demonstrate?


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25 Sep 2008, 9:07 pm

[quote="ShawnWilliam"][I doubt that these countries were just screaming and begging 'Oh please you must bring McDonalds to our land! we want to get big and fat like you filthy Americans!'...

Not fat.. rather.. it's a matter of survival.

What’s the alternative to Mac D.. ?

Are you suggesting cooking…......=:-0

How would people.. such as myself.. survive without fast food.. ?

We would just all die out.. :-(

Are you conspiring to deprive me of my dinner…? ...;-0

The bread of life.

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25 Sep 2008, 9:11 pm

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[I doubt that these countries were just screaming and begging 'Oh please you must bring McDonalds to our land! we want to get big and fat like you filthy Americans!'...

Not fat.. rather.. it's a matter of survival.

What’s the alternative to Mac D.. ?

Are you suggesting cooking…......=:-0

How would people.. such as myself.. survive without fast food.. ?

We would just all die out.. :-(

Are you conspiring to deprive me of my dinner…;-0

The bread of life.

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No, you can always have your Mac D 8O .. ahh, but they are the bread of death, not life :lol:



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25 Sep 2008, 9:14 pm

Thank you for listing the grey areas in math.

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* Significance testing, confidence intervals, statistical decision procedures and the like are inherently uncertain
* Game theory also works with imperfect information, because it usually depends on human decisions
* Behavior of quantum particles in mathematical physics
* Chaotic anything
* Monte Carlo methods are fuzzy
* Applications to art and music, they involve subjective judgments
* Bayesian versus frequentist views of statistics
* Philosophical debates like whether theorems that were proven with the aid of a computer should be accepted
* Balancing detail versus tractability in modeling



...to name a few. It's completely unsurprising that a lot of the greatest mathematicians and hard scientists of the West in modern times were leftists, contrary to what you might have imagined.


Since chaos occurs in nature and math can prove that, it stands to reason that trying to confine people into organizations which stifle their spiritual and personal growth is not in our best interest. If we want to explore the best of all possible worlds (Utopian Society)
then we have to at least be able to acknowledge that we are limitless. As humans, we naturally have the desire to become the best that we can be. But...
When we are being manipulated by a higher order, we are influenced by their desires and we are not free.


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25 Sep 2008, 9:19 pm

Magnus wrote:
Since chaos occurs in nature and math can prove that, it stands to reason that trying to confine people into organizations which stifle their spiritual and personal growth is not in our best interest. If we want to explore the best of all possible worlds (Utopian Society)
then we have to at least be able to acknowledge that we are limitless. As humans, we naturally have the desire to become the best that we can be. But...
When we are being manipulated by a higher order, we are influenced by their desires and we are not free.


The people who are being 'manipulated' need to start acting like they deserve to govern themselves entirely. (They aren't.) That would require a lot of continence on everyone's part. Unfortunately, even the fucking idiots who make some choices for us now do a better job than anarchy.


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25 Sep 2008, 9:29 pm

Great, now we are all on the same page.

We left off talking about what to do in order to not be lumped in with these wild monkeys and be treated like cattle.


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25 Sep 2008, 9:44 pm

Magnus wrote:
If we want to explore the best of all possible worlds (Utopian Society) then we have to at least be able to acknowledge that we are limitless. .



"It is our duty as men and women to proceed as though the limits of our abilities do not exist."

Pierre Teilhard de Chardin



Magnus wrote:
As humans, we naturally have the desire to become the best that we can be. But...

When we are being manipulated by a higher order, we are influenced by their desires and we are not free.


And God saith unto Magnus..:-)

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"For such Freedom Christ set us Free. Therefore stand fast, and do not let yourselves be confined again in a yoke of slavery."

"Do you not know that if you keep presenting yourselves to anyone as slaves to obey him, you are slaves of him because you obey him, either of sin with death in view or of obedience with righteousness in view?"

"Now God is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of God is, there is Freedom. And all of us, while we with unveiled faces reflect like mirrors the glory of God, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, exactly as done by God the Spirit."

"For we have a wrestling, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the high places."

"God blotted out the handwritten document against us.. which consisted of decrees.. and which was in opposition to us. And He has taken it out the way by nailing it to the torture stake.

Stripping governments and authorities bare . . He exhibited them in open public as conquered."

"Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power."

Galations 5:1 + Romans 6:16 + 2Corinthians 3:17 + Ephesians 6:12 + Colossians 12:14 + 1Corinthians 15:24

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Anyway.. that's the Christian viewpoint.. I believe.. ;-)

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25 Sep 2008, 9:45 pm

What to do about the wild monkeys?

Beats the shit out of me

You never know whether a thug is wearing a ski mask or a badge, so it can be hard to tell sometimes


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25 Sep 2008, 10:01 pm

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We left off talking about what to do in order to not be lumped in with these wild monkeys and be treated like cattle.


Wild monkeys seem to be coping much better than we are presently.. when it comes to living in peace... and getting on well together.

Maybe we can learn from them..:-)

Love and Peace.. rules.. in the Jungle

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"The species is best characterized as female-centered and egalitarian and as one that substitutes sex for aggression. Whereas in most other species sexual behavior is a fairly distinct category, in the bonobo it is part and parcel of social relations--and not just between males and females. Bonobos engage in sex in virtually every partner combination (although such contact among close family members may be suppressed). And sexual interactions occur more often among bonobos than among other primates. Despite the frequency of sex, the bonobo's rate of reproduction in the wild is about the same as that of the chimpanzee. A female gives birth to a single infant at intervals of between five and six years. So bonobos share at least one very important characteristic with our own species, namely, a partial separation between sex and reproduction."

http://www.primates.com/bonobos/bonobosexsoc.html

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25 Sep 2008, 10:06 pm

I can't believe I'm saying this, but H. sapiens is still the most civil of all the primates (less violent on average than even bonobos)


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25 Sep 2008, 10:08 pm

Primates suck. End of story.


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25 Sep 2008, 10:13 pm

Yeah good point


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25 Sep 2008, 10:57 pm

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Chever is a math whiz. It is definitely not my specialty and I would get easily lost talking about equations.
Here is a video for him to translate my philosophy.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS7CZIJVxFY[/youtube]

The Fibonacci's are a little overrated. Admittedly, I haven't gone out and measured, but I wanna bet that most reports of Fibonacci Spirals in nature are just generally logarithmic spirals, just to mention one fact...


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