The US Government Shut-Down - Whom to Blame
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That's mostly true, but you guys are missing a VERY SCARY point here... The few smart and evil TPers want to crash the economy to punish Obama and his supporters, but most of the TPers, like Rep. Ted "yoyo" Yoho, REALLY think default would be a good thing and no amount of deal making is going to change their minds...
These guys are from the same Tea Party brain-trust that taught us how women can prevent themselves from getting pregnant via rape...

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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
That's mostly true, but you guys are missing a VERY SCARY point here... The few smart and evil TPers want to crash the economy to punish Obama and his supporters, but most of the TPers, like Rep. Ted "yoyo" Yoho, REALLY think default would be a good thing and no amount of deal making is going to change their minds...These guys are from the same Tea Party brain-trust that taught us how women can prevent themselves from getting pregnant via rape...

on that subject-
"In their desperation, the GOP and Big Business turned to a group of people they didn't fully understand. Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn. The GOP have made quite the deal with the devil in siding with these TPers. As one would expect of a group of predominantly fundamentalist Christians, they have the one card in their hand that can never be trumped, never be beaten, can never lose: Irrationality. You can't use reason or logic against irrationality; it always wins."
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That's mostly true, but you guys are missing a VERY SCARY point here... The few smart and evil TPers want to crash the economy to punish Obama and his supporters, but most of the TPers, like Rep. Ted "yoyo" Yoho, REALLY think default would be a good thing and no amount of deal making is going to change their minds...These guys are from the same Tea Party brain-trust that taught us how women can prevent themselves from getting pregnant via rape...

on that subject-
"In their desperation, the GOP and Big Business turned to a group of people they didn't fully understand. Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn. The GOP have made quite the deal with the devil in siding with these TPers. As one would expect of a group of predominantly fundamentalist Christians, they have the one card in their hand that can never be trumped, never be beaten, can never lose: Irrationality. You can't use reason or logic against irrationality; it always wins."
Actually, I think the Tea Party will shrivel and die after 2016....
When there's no longer a Black man in the White House, they'll lose interest in politics and go back to professional wrestling.

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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
That's mostly true, but you guys are missing a VERY SCARY point here... The few smart and evil TPers want to crash the economy to punish Obama and his supporters, but most of the TPers, like Rep. Ted "yoyo" Yoho, REALLY think default would be a good thing and no amount of deal making is going to change their minds...These guys are from the same Tea Party brain-trust that taught us how women can prevent themselves from getting pregnant via rape...

on that subject-
"In their desperation, the GOP and Big Business turned to a group of people they didn't fully understand. Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn. The GOP have made quite the deal with the devil in siding with these TPers. As one would expect of a group of predominantly fundamentalist Christians, they have the one card in their hand that can never be trumped, never be beaten, can never lose: Irrationality. You can't use reason or logic against irrationality; it always wins."
Actually, I think the Tea Party will shrivel and die after 2016....
When there's no longer a Black man in the White House, they'll lose interest in politics and go back to professional wrestling.

Ah, but when a woman (Clinton) runs, we can see if their misogyny brings 'em back.
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horsepuckey. it is not just what he wants but what the people who ELECTED HIM WANT as well! this is ALL ABOUT GOPTP PUNISHING Obama voters and to hell with the collateral damage- after singlehandedly causing the catastrophe, the TP will run away and cry "the devil* take the hindmost."
*what the GOPTP considers us 99%ers
I agree that the GOP are using a tactic that is in my view, totally outrageous. However, some of the nonsense that has followed in the wake of the shutdown has been stupid and punitive. They don't need to close the World War 2 memorial or chase a man from the Lincoln Memorial for mowing the lawns. It is a tactic that was used during the sequester and it is something worth being condemned in and of itself.
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I don't think the GOP is going anywhere but they are going to have some ongoing internecine warfare. The tea party has been on the offensive to date but some return fire is starting from the establishment. There was an article where some business orgs were talking about putting money against tea party people. And there are already some examples of that battle forming up in 2014.
Getting elected to just f things up and scream isnt the party that every conservative signed up for.
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Well, it's a little more complicated than that. If someone tries to mow the lawn in front of the Lincoln Memorial and hurts himself and tries to sue the Federal government for allowing him to do it - then what? Without the appropriate staff on hand to curb liability/insurance concerns - you really can't allow people on federal property without incurring a pretty big liability. It perhaps sucks that we have a society as litigious as we do, but it is what it is.
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Well, it's a little more complicated than that. If someone tries to mow the lawn in front of the Lincoln Memorial and hurts himself and tries to sue the Federal government for allowing him to do it - then what? Without the appropriate staff on hand to curb liability/insurance concerns - you really can't allow people on federal property without incurring a pretty big liability. It perhaps sucks that we have a society as litigious as we do, but it is what it is.
Nonsense, if they were worried about being sued they would be chasing people all over the place. My sister is waiting outside of a National Park at the moment, they removed the heads from the taps inside the parks, so you cannot get a drink. Imagine the lawsuit if someone dies in there. It has nothing to do with lawsuits and liability and has everything to do with making the shutdown as visible as possible.
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Nonsense, if they were worried about being sued they would be chasing people all over the place. My sister is waiting outside of a National Park at the moment, they removed the heads from the taps inside the parks, so you cannot get a drink. Imagine the lawsuit if someone dies in there. It has nothing to do with lawsuits and liability and has everything to do with making the shutdown as visible as possible.
I'd imagine that the lawsuit would be thrown out immediately, as the poor dehydrated fellow would be trespassing.
Nonsense, if they were worried about being sued they would be chasing people all over the place. My sister is waiting outside of a National Park at the moment, they removed the heads from the taps inside the parks, so you cannot get a drink. Imagine the lawsuit if someone dies in there. It has nothing to do with lawsuits and liability and has everything to do with making the shutdown as visible as possible.
I'd imagine that the lawsuit would be thrown out immediately, as the poor dehydrated fellow would be trespassing.
Not really grounds for automatic dismissal. Google frequent trespass doctrine.
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another pertinent quote-
Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. - George Carlin