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16 Apr 2012, 5:22 pm

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Why is it that few people argue that an asbestos miner who gets mesothelioma got it from somewhere other than asbestos, whereas a smoker who gets lung cancer "was probably genetically predisposed, or other factors gave it?" I'll tell you why: Industry

Why is it that when a person who smokes ten cigarettes a day and eats at McDonald's five times a week is diagnosed with gastrointestinal cancer, statisticians and medical experts automatically blame the cigarettes and not the addictive drugs with carcinogenic food additives that are sold at fast food temples?

That would be a poor research method. Where has this happened, though? Blaming gastrointestinal cancer on smoking is pretty far fetched. I have read somewhere tobacco can be good for certain bowel disorders, strangely enough

Really? Usually, smoking is blamed for all kinds of cancers. It has been linked to stomach cancer, for example. (It's true that it can have a positive effect on ulcerative colitis. Other IBDs, such as Crohn's disease, get worse from smoking though).

But we might as well make it lung cancer. Sufficient vitamin intake has been shown to decrease the risk of lung cancer, which means that an unhealthy diet can be assumed to increase the risk. Lung cancer and smoking are always linked in statistics, without accounting for other lifestyle-related factors.

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16 Apr 2012, 5:24 pm

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Of course cigarette smoking contributes to lung cancer, and is a major factor....but the government tends to exagerate things and use more emotional terms like 'smoking causes lung cancer!' no it contributes to lung cancer....it is a factor, show me a study that proves all these cases of lung cancer where caused by cigarette smoke alone.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 130635.htm

First off is cigarette smoke the only thing that slows those proteins or whatever down? Also even based on the article....it's still remains a factor, I am not denying the damage it can do but seriously even the article does not actually prove smoking alone is the 'cause' of lung cancer it only further indicates it's a factor:

Researchers discovered that the production of a protein called FANCD2 is slowed when lung cells are exposed to cigarette smoke. Low levels of FANCD2 leads to DNA damage, triggering cancer. Cigarette smoke curbs the production of 'caretaker' proteins, like FANCD2, which normally prevent cancer by fixing damages in DNA and causing faulty cells to commit suicide.

It looks more like low levels of FANCD2, is what causes lung cancer according to this study, but it does not even mention if other things can contribute to lower levels of it.

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16 Apr 2012, 5:29 pm

They should do a study on if there is any real difference between additive free tobacco and regular tobacco. I can only stand the additive free ones like American Spirit and Nat Sherman anymore, but luckily I know of a head shop that sells both cheaper than they would be elsewhere.

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16 Apr 2012, 6:02 pm

I bet if a person had to roll their own cigarettes that it would slow down the consumption.

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16 Apr 2012, 6:06 pm

It would not stop people in the south they would start growing their own tobacco feilds and selling the tobacco to those who want to smoke.

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16 Apr 2012, 6:13 pm

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I bet if a person had to roll their own cigarettes that it would slow down the consumption.

Nah I used to roll my own. I could do it one handed and have one ready in under 20 seconds

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16 Apr 2012, 6:14 pm

Rolling your own might not stop tobacco consumption but I bet it would slow it down. Machine rolled cigarettes are instant gratification for chain smokers.

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16 Apr 2012, 6:16 pm

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Rolling your own might not stop tobacco consumption but I bet it would slow it down. Machine rolled cigarettes are instant gratification for chain smokers.

People have no choice but to roll their own marijuana joints. It doesn't really dissuade people. If it does they use other methods to smoke it

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16 Apr 2012, 6:26 pm

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Rolling your own might not stop tobacco consumption but I bet it would slow it down. Machine rolled cigarettes are instant gratification for chain smokers.

People have no choice but to roll their own marijuana joints. It doesn't really dissuade people. If it does they use other methods to smoke it

Yup I roll my own joints all the time if I had to role my own tobacco well I would cause I like to smoke dip and chew tobacco I like it love the taste smell of it and I like to drink I am the compete opposite of strait edge.

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16 Apr 2012, 6:29 pm

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Rolling your own might not stop tobacco consumption but I bet it would slow it down. Machine rolled cigarettes are instant gratification for chain smokers.

People have no choice but to roll their own marijuana joints. It doesn't really dissuade people. If it does they use other methods to smoke it

I like rolling. The problem with rolling your own tobacco cigarettes is usually no filter is involved. You *can* buy filters though but I know few people who do. This results in much more severe staining of teeth and fingers in a short amount of time (as well as lungs...). I have never chewed tobacco, I always found that gross. I rarely drink, not a huge fan of alcohol anymore

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16 Apr 2012, 6:37 pm

Or you can get a roller... they cost about 3 bucks. The tubes designed to be used with them have filters as well.

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16 Apr 2012, 6:37 pm

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Rolling your own might not stop tobacco consumption but I bet it would slow it down. Machine rolled cigarettes are instant gratification for chain smokers.

People have no choice but to roll their own marijuana joints. It doesn't really dissuade people. If it does they use other methods to smoke it

True I do not know how to use the filter but I would be willing to learn just to smoke a cig. It is gross chewing or dipping tobacco but I know just as many women that dip and chew as I do men but it is still gross I do it for the taste.

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16 Apr 2012, 6:43 pm

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Or you can get a roller... they cost about 3 bucks. The tubes designed to be used with them have filters as well.

I have seen those. I never wanted to get one because I found rolling my own satisfying. I could do it quickly but it did discourage me from chain smoking as well (bad habit...)

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16 Apr 2012, 6:45 pm

That's right. Hand rolling a cigarette discourages chain smoking.

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16 Apr 2012, 6:47 pm

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That's right. Hand rolling a cigarette discourages chain smoking.

Only if the smoker doesn't plan ahead. It discouraged me in the beginning but eventually I would just roll 30 at once and put them in a tin to carry around

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16 Apr 2012, 6:48 pm

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That's right. Hand rolling a cigarette discourages chain smoking.

Only if the smoker doesn't plan ahead. It discouraged me in the beginning but eventually I would just roll 30 at once and put them in a tin to carry around

So would I.

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