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15 Nov 2020, 2:22 am

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There's always the relevant question over who instigates the violence when Pro-Trump and anti-Trump supporters meet. Second who does the police target?

Trump's language sounds decidely like he is egging on the MAGAs
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/violen ... protesters

Not becoming a world leader but then we all know he was improvising for the last 4 years

And then of course there's the cops
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ty-protest

How do you expect them to be impartial when journalists are among those whom they target.


You do realise that, by that statement, you trashed the integrity of every journalist?
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15 Nov 2020, 2:25 am

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There's zero evidence of Trump having been cheated out of victory, but there is evidence that his inner circle had met with Russian intelligence to get their assistance back in 2016.


If there's really zero evidence then why are some people acting so nervous? And what charges were filed against said inner circle?


Trump's ruse is gone mate, you are looking for signs that aren't there...


Then you have nothing to fear.
Joe Biden will be your President.
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15 Nov 2020, 2:45 am

cyberdad wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
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There's zero evidence of Trump having been cheated out of victory, but there is evidence that his inner circle had met with Russian intelligence to get their assistance back in 2016.


If there's really zero evidence then why are some people acting so nervous? And what charges were filed against said inner circle?


Trump's ruse is gone mate, you are looking for signs that aren't there...


I don't need to look for the signs, they're right in my face when I look at the news.



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15 Nov 2020, 3:00 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
There's zero evidence of Trump having been cheated out of victory, but there is evidence that his inner circle had met with Russian intelligence to get their assistance back in 2016.


If there's really zero evidence then why are some people acting so nervous? And what charges were filed against said inner circle?


Trump's ruse is gone mate, you are looking for signs that aren't there...


I don't need to look for the signs, they're right in my face when I look at the news.


Dare I ask, then, what news are you watching? Because every reputable news service in the world is calling Biden the next President, and that he got there without any chinanicry.


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15 Nov 2020, 7:25 am

cyberdad wrote:
There's always the relevant question over who instigates the violence when Pro-Trump and anti-Trump supporters meet.


Given the Trump events are peaceful until the "left"'s "counter protesters" get involved, whereas the protests from the "left" have been known to have a "non-peaceful" component without the need for a "counter protest" confronting them, the balance of probabilities would put the blame for instigating the violence towards the "left" side of the scale...



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15 Nov 2020, 9:20 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
There's zero evidence of Trump having been cheated out of victory, but there is evidence that his inner circle had met with Russian intelligence to get their assistance back in 2016.


If there's really zero evidence then why are some people acting so nervous? And what charges were filed against said inner circle?


Trump's ruse is gone mate, you are looking for signs that aren't there...


I don't need to look for the signs, they're right in my face when I look at the news.


Dare I ask, then, what news are you watching? Because every reputable news service in the world is calling Biden the next President, and that he got there without any chinanicry.


It's what some democrat politicians are saying and how they're acting when talking about it, which gives me the impression they're nervous about it.



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15 Nov 2020, 9:36 am

On Sunday, Trump wrote of Biden, "He won because the Election was Rigged.  NO VOTE WATCHERS OR OBSERVERS allowed, vote tabulated by a Radical Left privately owned company, Dominion, with a bad reputation & bum equipment that couldn't even qualify for Texas (which I won by a lot!), the Fake & Silent Media, & more!"

Did you get that?

Mr. Trump said, "He won..."

That's called a concession.  The rest that followed qualifies as his concession speech.  That everything after "He won" is an obvious lie is beside the point.

Donald j. Trump has conceded the election.[/color]


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15 Nov 2020, 9:58 am

Moved to PPR, long overdue.

Also, there needs to be a substantive increase in reasoning and facts along with a similar decrease in snark, bickering and point-scoring. This topic has been stalled for at least 10 pages and may be locked if it continues.


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15 Nov 2020, 10:01 am

Fnord wrote:
On Sunday, Trump wrote of Biden, "He won because the Election was Rigged.  NO VOTE WATCHERS OR OBSERVERS allowed, vote tabulated by a Radical Left privately owned company, Dominion, with a bad reputation & bum equipment that couldn't even qualify for Texas (which I won by a lot!), the Fake & Silent Media, & more!"

Did you get that?

Mr. Trump said, "He won..."

That's called a concession.  The rest that followed qualifies as his concession speech.  That everything after "He won" is an obvious lie is beside the point.

Donald j. Trump has conceded the election.[/color]


The excitement about that tweet was premature just as last weekends victory celebrations were.
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Trump said in a tweet later Sunday morning, however, that his earlier post were not meant as a concession.

"He only won in the eyes of the FAKE NEWS MEDIA. I concede NOTHING!" the president said. "We have a long way to go. This was a RIGGED ELECTION!"


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15 Nov 2020, 4:44 pm

Tempus Fugit wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
There's zero evidence of Trump having been cheated out of victory, but there is evidence that his inner circle had met with Russian intelligence to get their assistance back in 2016.


If there's really zero evidence then why are some people acting so nervous? And what charges were filed against said inner circle?


Trump's ruse is gone mate, you are looking for signs that aren't there...


I don't need to look for the signs, they're right in my face when I look at the news.


Dare I ask, then, what news are you watching? Because every reputable news service in the world is calling Biden the next President, and that he got there without any chinanicry.


It's what some democrat politicians are saying and how they're acting when talking about it, which gives me the impression they're nervous about it.


What's nervous about their statements? They're obviously upset that Trump won't acknowledge Biden's election, and that the Republican leadership are acting like members of the Trump cult by denying reality. But nothing nervous or suspicious about it.


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15 Nov 2020, 11:01 pm

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What's nervous about their statements? They're obviously upset that Trump won't acknowledge Biden's election, and that the Republican leadership are acting like members of the Trump cult by denying reality. But nothing nervous or suspicious about it.


You have your interpretation and I have mine.



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16 Nov 2020, 12:05 am

Fnord wrote:
On Sunday, Trump wrote of Biden, "He won because the Election was Rigged.  NO VOTE WATCHERS OR OBSERVERS allowed, vote tabulated by a Radical Left privately owned company, Dominion, with a bad reputation & bum equipment that couldn't even qualify for Texas (which I won by a lot!), the Fake & Silent Media, & more!"

Did you get that?

Mr. Trump said, "He won..."

That's called a concession.  The rest that followed qualifies as his concession speech.  That everything after "He won" is an obvious lie is beside the point.

Donald j. Trump has conceded the election.

Given the suggestion from a former, unsuccessful candidate that Mr Biden
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should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is


Why should a similar standard not apply to Mr Trump?



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16 Nov 2020, 12:08 am

Brictoria wrote:
Fnord wrote:
On Sunday, Trump wrote of Biden, "He won because the Election was Rigged.  NO VOTE WATCHERS OR OBSERVERS allowed, vote tabulated by a Radical Left privately owned company, Dominion, with a bad reputation & bum equipment that couldn't even qualify for Texas (which I won by a lot!), the Fake & Silent Media, & more!"

Did you get that?

Mr. Trump said, "He won..."

That's called a concession.  The rest that followed qualifies as his concession speech.  That everything after "He won" is an obvious lie is beside the point.

Donald j. Trump has conceded the election.

Given the suggestion from a former, unsuccessful candidate that Mr Biden
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should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is


Why should a similar standard not apply to Mr Trump?


I think your point is reasonable. 8)



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16 Nov 2020, 12:12 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
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Tempus Fugit wrote:
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Tempus Fugit wrote:

What's nervous about their statements? They're obviously upset that Trump won't acknowledge Biden's election, and that the Republican leadership are acting like members of the Trump cult by denying reality. But nothing nervous or suspicious about it.


My understanding is that due process is, well, due process. :wink:
No amount of intimidation, from the media and/or elsewhere, is going to change that. 8)



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16 Nov 2020, 12:16 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:

Imo the Democrats were furious over the results of the last election and used whatever means they could come up with to change the outcome.

And now the Republicans are furious over the results of the last election and are using whatever means they can come up with to change the outcome.


Goose and gander, right? :wink:



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16 Nov 2020, 12:22 am

Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:

What's nervous about their statements? They're obviously upset that Trump won't acknowledge Biden's election, and that the Republican leadership are acting like members of the Trump cult by denying reality. But nothing nervous or suspicious about it.


My understanding is that due process is, well, due process. :wink:
No amount of intimidation, from the media and/or elsewhere, is going to change that. 8)


So far, all their claims are being found to be frivolous. Sure, every person is worthy of due process in court, but that was never meant to be used to try legally enforcing a narcissist's tantrums when he doesn't have a leg to stand on. Team Trump is abusing this legal right.


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