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27 Feb 2021, 3:53 am

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Well as I understand it, the reason why Gina made this comeback in the first place, was because people were coming after her because she was a republican, if I have that correct..


The former actor Arnold Schwartzneggar is also a republican but he hasn't stooped to Carano's level trying to excuse thugs/Nazis in the MAGA movement. There are role models out there for her to use.



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27 Feb 2021, 3:57 am

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I was simply producing evidence that it isn't only "conservative right wing people" defending her, as was implied in the statement...

It's not a case of only "conservative right wing people" defending her - It's a case of "a minority of the left who give the appearance of having authoritarian views" persecuting her (and anyone who speaks out against them).


In case its escaped your notice ( and I'm sure it hasn't) the loudest voices trying to "cancel" Disney are right wingers. I am also struggling to find any evidence that Disney are "caving in" to cancel culture or to some minority leftwing groups with authoritarian views. It seems Disney acted appropriately as good corporate citizens maintaing the child friendly culture they wish to portray by not employing people like Gina Carano.



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27 Feb 2021, 5:40 am

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I was simply producing evidence that it isn't only "conservative right wing people" defending her, as was implied in the statement...

It's not a case of only "conservative right wing people" defending her - It's a case of "a minority of the left who give the appearance of having authoritarian views" persecuting her (and anyone who speaks out against them).


In case its escaped your notice ( and I'm sure it hasn't) the loudest voices trying to "cancel" Disney are right wingers.

The use of "cancel" in the "canceldisneyplus" call is related to canceling subscriptions to their service...Which, being a business, is a "boycott", and unrelated to "cancel culture" which is targetted at individuals.

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A boycott is a call on individuals or organizations to refuse to patronize a commercial business as long as it engages in some objectionable practice. Typically the practice is something that the company engages in willingly and knowingly (but not necessarily openly) for the sake of business (profit). By collective denying it business, the boycotters seek to reduce the company’s profits until it stops the practice in order to regain the customers. Once that happens, typically the boycott is called off. The goal is not to drive the company out of business, it is to cease the objectionable practice.

Cancel culture is a call on organizations to terminate the financial sustenance (e.g., fire employees, stop hiring entertainers for gigs) or means of communication (removing from media platforms) of individuals who have done something objectionable. The objectionable thing may be an expressed opinion, or a statement made or action performed in the past. The act may have been unintentional, the person may have been unaware that it was objectionable, or it may be something that was not widely considered objectionable at the time. Since it is a past act, clearly the intention is not to return to favor by stopping the objectionable thing, it is to permanently punish and shun the transgressor.

Source: https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-difference-between-boycotting-and-cancel-culture-or-is-it-just-a-different-name-for-the-same-thing?share=1



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27 Feb 2021, 5:59 am

Yes I understand the purpose of the cancelDisneyplus hashtag is probably intended to financially hurt Disney and tarnish it's brand rather than put them out of business. I am also aware conservative right wing businessmen have shares in Disney (Walt Disney himself would have probably have liked Donald Trump if he was still alive).

But I am not sure what the endgame of this cancel movement is? is to bankrupt Disney (well that's not going to happen), is it to bring Carano back to Disney? (I think Bella Thorne has a better chance of returning to Disney's kids channel than Gina Carano). So I guess that "ain't gonna happen" either. Is it to teach Disney a lesson? what lesson exactly? that apologists for conservative anti-social elements in society should be allowed to work for Disney?...I don't that's happening either.

What lessons do you think Disney should learn from this "backlash" Brictoria?



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27 Feb 2021, 7:13 am

cyberdad wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Well as I understand it, the reason why Gina made this comeback in the first place, was because people were coming after her because she was a republican, if I have that correct..


The former actor Arnold Schwartzneggar is also a republican but he hasn't stooped to Carano's level trying to excuse thugs/Nazis in the MAGA movement. There are role models out there for her to use.



Hoo doesn't luv Arnie? :heart:

Could you point out where Carano was trying to excuse thugs/Nazis?
I was under the impression she was making a point about the violence, generally.



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27 Feb 2021, 7:14 am

cyberdad wrote:
Yes I understand the purpose of the cancelDisneyplus hashtag is probably intended to financially hurt Disney and tarnish it's brand rather than put them out of business. I am also aware conservative right wing businessmen have shares in Disney (Walt Disney himself would have probably have liked Donald Trump if he was still alive).

But I am not sure what the endgame of this cancel movement is? is to bankrupt Disney (well that's not going to happen), is it to bring Carano back to Disney? (I think Bella Thorne has a better chance of returning to Disney's kids channel than Gina Carano). So I guess that "ain't gonna happen" either. Is it to teach Disney a lesson? what lesson exactly? that apologists for conservative anti-social elements in society should be allowed to work for Disney?...I don't that's happening either.

What lessons do you think Disney should learn from this "backlash" Brictoria?


No point asking me. You'd need to ask someone who could afford a subscription in the first place and then joined in the boycott...



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27 Feb 2021, 6:16 pm

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Could you point out where Carano was trying to excuse thugs/Nazis?
I was under the impression she was making a point about the violence, generally.


Prior to her now infamous post comparing the treatment of Trump supporters to jews she posted accusations of voter fraud. Thewrefore, the timing of her subsequent post was mean't to show her sympathy for (what she perceived) was the plight of capitol rioters who (she perceived) were being hunted by the FBI like German citizens hunted jews.

There is really no other way to interpret the timing of her post especially given the rioters were dominated QAnon conspiracists and Trump supporters complaining of voter fraud both of which are causes she allies herself with.

I mentioned before Disney were aware she was a loose canon and she was (I understand) under the microscope and the last social media post she made was the last straw.

Conclusion: This has nothing to do with the right wing myth "cancel-culture" and more to do with corporate termination.



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28 Feb 2021, 12:31 am

Oh okay, I thought that she was responding to people constantly bullying her on twitter and that her analogy didn't have anything to do with the capital riot. But I don't think you can say that it has anything to do with the capital riot, because there is a riot happening every month or even more in the US, so the chances of a controversial comment on twitter, lining up with a riot, is not really unlikely, because riots happen that often, that any comment can line up with it time wise, can't they?

Also people on twitter were calling for her to be canceled, so I thought Disney was listening to them rather than making their own decision.



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28 Feb 2021, 1:03 am

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Oh okay, I thought that she was responding to people constantly bullying her on twitter and that her analogy didn't have anything to do with the capital riot. But I don't think you can say that it has anything to do with the capital riot, because there is a riot happening every month or even more in the US, so the chances of a controversial comment on twitter, lining up with a riot, is not really unlikely, because riots happen that often, that any comment can line up with it time wise, can't they?

Also people on twitter were calling for her to be canceled, so I thought Disney was listening to them rather than making their own decision.


The critical thing was the timing of her post. At a point where even republicans were hiding from reporters in fear they will be asked about what they think of the storming of the capitol she (Carano) boldly made how now infamous comparison which could only be interpreted to mean she was comparing the public anger against thugs storming the capitol building with german civilians attacking Jews.



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28 Feb 2021, 1:14 am

Oh okay, I thought she was talking about people being beaten in riots in the US over the last year in general, not the capital one particularly, but thought she meant in general.

When you say republicans hiding from reporters out of fear, how are people even able to tell if a person is a rebulican? I mean it's not like spotting a toupee, is it?



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28 Feb 2021, 1:17 am

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Oh okay, I thought she was talking about people being beaten in riots in the US over the last year in general, not the capital one particularly, but thought she meant in general.


According to her, that was what she meant. However, certain highly partisan people are deceitfully trying to push a narrative that differs from what she has publicly stated was the reason for the post...



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28 Feb 2021, 1:17 am

ironpony wrote:
Oh okay, I thought she was talking about people being beaten in riots in the US over the last year in general, not the capital one particularly, but thought she meant in general.

When you say republicans hiding from reporters out of fear, how are people even able to tell if a person is a rebulican? I mean it's not like spotting a toupee, is it?


Knuckles dragging on the ground is a sure give-away. :mrgreen:



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28 Feb 2021, 1:19 am

Brictoria wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Oh okay, I thought she was talking about people being beaten in riots in the US over the last year in general, not the capital one particularly, but thought she meant in general.


According to her, that was what she meant. However, certain highly partisan people are deceitfully trying to push a narrative that differs from what she has publicly stated was the reason for the post...


Politics. :eew:



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28 Feb 2021, 5:30 am

Brictoria wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Oh okay, I thought she was talking about people being beaten in riots in the US over the last year in general, not the capital one particularly, but thought she meant in general.


According to her, that was what she meant. However, certain highly partisan people are deceitfully trying to push a narrative that differs from what she has publicly stated was the reason for the post...


You do have to consider that she probably backtracked given the consequences of sharing her inner thoughts to the world. It would not surprise me her lawyer told her to frame her comment "in general" to throw heat off. As I said the timing of her post in the midst of the FBI hunting the capitol rioters was likely the precipitating factor (even if she did unwittingly want to make a general comment).



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28 Feb 2021, 6:56 am

cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Oh okay, I thought she was talking about people being beaten in riots in the US over the last year in general, not the capital one particularly, but thought she meant in general.


According to her, that was what she meant. However, certain highly partisan people are deceitfully trying to push a narrative that differs from what she has publicly stated was the reason for the post...


You do have to consider that she probably backtracked given the consequences of sharing her inner thoughts to the world. It would not surprise me her lawyer told her to frame her comment "in general" to throw heat off. As I said the timing of her post in the midst of the FBI hunting the capitol rioters was likely the precipitating factor (even if she did unwittingly want to make a general comment).


An interesting connundrum: Who do you believe?

On one hand, we have the person who made the original statement, and who has provided an explanation regarding the intention of their post.
On the other hand, we have a highly partisan observer who constantly denigrates those with different political views to their own, and who is claiming "knowledge" of what another person intended (who coincidentally has different political views to their own).

I know who I'd believe in a situation such as this...



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28 Feb 2021, 1:44 pm

Brictoria wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Oh okay, I thought she was talking about people being beaten in riots in the US over the last year in general, not the capital one particularly, but thought she meant in general.


According to her, that was what she meant. However, certain highly partisan people are deceitfully trying to push a narrative that differs from what she has publicly stated was the reason for the post...


Oh okay, well she is a very vocal person who doesn't seem afraid to express what she believes in so if she meant it for the rioting and violence in general, than can we not take her word that that is what she meant, rather than assume it's for the capitol one specifically?