Are Autistics whom are Pro-Abortion hypocrits?

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@ Orwell
It kinda started when LKL made the following statement:

Medical management of children with Trisomy 13 is planned on a case-by-case basis and depends on the individual circumstances of the patient. Treatment of Patau syndrome focuses on the particular physical problems with which each child is born. Many infants have difficulty surviving the first few days or weeks due to severe neurological problems or complex heart defects. Surgery may be necessary to repair heart defects or cleft lip and cleft palate. Physical, occupational, and speech therapy will help individuals with Patau syndrome reach their full developmental potential.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patau_Syndrome#cite_note-7

Also there was as of 2007 a woman with Patau syndrome that was 51 years old and still alive.
http://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/c ... l/19/2/201

Also Patau Syndrome can actually vary in how much an individual is affected.

http://www.livingwithtrisomy13.org/cont ... y-13-album

Granted they often may not live long, but they can actually reach adulthood, and there has been progress made in actually treating the condition.

I'm ardently pro-life, but whether a person is autistic or not has nothing to do with the issue.

agreed

Actually it does in a way.



Saying that it is a good thing that 90% of down syndrome babies are aborted, is a pretty good indication of advocating abortion for eugenics.

@LKL:
It's amazing to me how Inuyasha completely ignored the examples you provided of the effects of a total abortion ban on society. He is obviously living in complete denial. These are REAL examples of what can REALLY happen when such laws are instituted.

I wonder if conservatives care about all of the unwanted children that are born and given up to orphanages? How many orphans (especially those who are disabled) do you think conservatives adopt? How many do you think Inuyasha will adopt? How many has he adopted already?

I wonder if conservatives care about all of the women who die because they do not have access to medically necessary abortions? How many of those women do you think they grieve for? How many families who have lost women due to medical complications from their pregnancies does Inuyasha support? How many staunch conservatives would do whatever necessary (including going to another country) to provide their wives with access to safe, legal abortions if an abortion was required to save their wife's life? How many would give a damn about a poor woman who needs the same access?

Oh, that's right, he cares only about zef's as long as they are zef's. At the expense of the woman carrying said zef. At the expense of the family who is then required to provide enough food for another child. At the expense of the zef itself - when it becomes an infant. Once the zef is born, it is no longer the concern of people like Inuyasha.

People like Inuyasha refuse to look at the situation logically. He will take a sentence like the one that preceeds this one, and say, "No, YOU refuse to look at the situation logically" and believe that he has "schooled" the other person. Not realizing that the more he maintains that the other person has "proved" his point, the faster his credibility erodes.

When someone says - here is what happens when abortion is made illegal, he ignores the examples. When someone says - you are comparing the pro-choice movement to nazism, but the nazis implemented pro-life legislation just as you want to do, he refuses to admit that this is a valid argument. When someone says anything valid, when someone voices a personal OPINION, he tells them that they are wrong. If someone tells him that he is wrong, he accuses them of lacking a fundamental knowledge of the English language (given his grammar, I am not sure he understands English) and/or of being "dishonest".

This is not a discussion in any manner, shape, or form. A discussion requires give and take on both sides. People like Inuyasha want to take take take, and have everyone else give give give. And he is incapable of stepping back from the situation and acknowledging this.

Based on the type of person we are dealing with, the only truly shocking thing about this thread is that it made it to 25 pages.

I'm not surprised it has reached 25 pages, most of us PPR regulars probably can be described as the above

@ cave_canem

I've also said I am against pre-marital sex because it typically ends up with the issue where abortion rears its ugly head. It is also the reason why I am against fertility clinics.

All of the above has created this mess.

You talk about it being a mercy to the child to kill them because they will have a disability. How about putting efforts into new adaptations for individuals or a new teaching style or something else instead of simply killing the child because they are inconveinent.

I find it much more interesting why so many people who are strongly against abortion are also against health care reform that would enable so many more mothers to get the prenatal care needed for a healthy pregnancy, reducing the risk of pregnancy for both mother and child.

A prenatal test for Autism is a non-issue at this time, it is nowhere on the horizon.

Eliminating the legality of abortion might allow some additional humans to have the opportunity for life, but a lack of health care results in suffering and death for many, child and adult. A lack of health care also makes it more difficult for a woman to access effective means of birthcontrol, that could reduce the number of abortions.

It is almost like the idea proposed by some as "a right to life" ends after birth. If a child is born with a chronic health condition, with no health insurance, their chance of reaching their potential is significantly reduced.

And as far as statistics go, with over 80% of Autistic people being unemployed, it would make sense that most Autistic people would be for healthcare that wasn't dependent on employment. Health Insurance for Autistic people is a real life issue today; a prenatal test for Autism is just speculation.

@ aghogday

We are against government controlled healthcare because it would make the situation a lot worse. At least we can sue an insurance company and go ahead and have a treatment when they claim they won't pay for it. Government can say flat out you won't get x treatment.

Honestly, we need to pay down the debt, once we get that dealt with then maybe we can afford to spend money for neonatal care (though it would be a bad idea if Government is involved).

I respect your opinion that healthcare reform as it stands might change some things for people that already have insurance, not all to everyones agreement as positive; but for someone that might not have an opportunity at their parents health insurance coverage, it would truly be a blessing to be covered under medicaid, as this plan would do for those with chronic health conditions that have little income or are unemployed.

We already had the discussion about employment and you agreed there are no jobs for people and it is not their fault that they cannot get one. There is no other alternative at this time for improvement, other than the health care plan that it is in place for people, who are unemployed or partially employed with chronic health conditions, with no opportunity for health care coverage.

I do agree the debt needs to be paid down. An attempt is being made to pay for the current health care plan; I also have my doubts that it will be covered without additional debt; however, a population that does not have access to health care, is a population that will be less productive, and more dependent on other social programs when their chronic issues become permanently disabling, due to lack of health care and treatment.

This problem is snowballing and if we don't keep the healthcare action we have, an even larger percentage of our population will be permanently disabled from chronic health problems and no treatment.

I don't see any realistic chance that the debt will be paid down any time soon. Tax increases and big cuts in spending will be required to make any significant mathematical impact on the astronomical numbers we are dealing with, and our country will not tolerate tax increases or significant enough spending cuts to make a real impact.

If nothing else isn't healthcare more of a real problem for Autistic people than a prenatal test for Autism?

obamacare could possibly work, just not now. we really need to get out of the economic crisis first

It is reasonable that our economic crisis may eventually lead to the economic demise of the US, if steps are not taken quickly to address it. Unfortunately, we have had this problem of deficits spiraling upward for ten years.

No one has been willing to address the seriousness of the economic potentials and take real action, for fear of losing their piece of the pie. Significant action could have been taken, long ago, to avoid where we stand now.

The country is at gridlock over the issue no matter how promising the idea of spending cuts may seem in the political arena. We are in economic crisis for the forseeable future and the Obamacare that we have is the last chance that many may see for healthcare until they meet a disabled or age requirement for medicare or medicaid.

The problem is when those people go on medicaid or medicare because they lacked health care for their chronic conditions, the tax payers become fully responsible for their benefits. There is a larger picture here than fears that Obamacare may not be able to pay for itself as promised. I'm not too happy with the end product of Obamacare, but it is the only solution that the country could come up with.

Obamacare is something I don't need. I have always worked and maintained healthcare insurance and am guaranteed it through retirement for myself and my wife for the rest of our lives. However, I know what it is like to have Autism and deal with the co-morbid conditions that may visit one later in life.

I didn't use my insurance for 23 years for myself, but had a child with obvious markers of Autism and serious co-morbid conditions that didn't live long. Without insurance the bill would have been $300,000 back in the 90's, probably over a half a million today.

No matter how well you take care of your health, having a child is a roulette wheel for everyone, you don't get to choose your child's health. For those that don't have health care, this may influence a decision for an abortion, along with the other factors of poverty that relate to higher demographic levels of abortion.

Taking, all things into consideration, the American dream may be impossible for many that lose an opportunity for healthcare. They may fall into bankruptcy because of medical debt and never get the credit required to buy a house or send their children to college, if they can even afford to have children.

Our country is at risk because of our economic crisis, but the stakes are too high to miss what may be a final opportunity for healthcare for many people.

If a person's concern is Autism and abortion, an opportunity for health care is a win-win factor for those deciding on having a child and having a better chance at fulfilling one's potential in life.

Explains why Obamacare had to use Bernie Madoff style accounting to look like it was sustainable on paper.

Face it, Obamacare is unsustainable, in other words it will cost too much money, and I would argue eliminates choice.

For instance, I can't take generic versions of my medication because there is an additive in the generic that tears my stomach up, this additive is not found in the brand version.

There is no doubt that Obamacare is far from perfect. Underestimates of government costs have been around as long as government has been here. The government method of estimating costs for the future is far from reliable; there are too many variables at play.

The fact of the matter is many Americans wouldn't have any opportunity for health care without many of the changes from Obamacare that are already in effect. The Healthcare situation without change is not sustainable for many Americans, and with unemployment numbers continues to rise, those that are unemployed have little opportunity for insurance. And for those that are unemployed that qualify for medicaid; additional medicaid costs are overwhelming the ability for many states to provide this insurance.

I understand your concerns about generic medicine; you don't won't to lose any of your benefits, and may not want to pay a higher price, but do you think this concern outweighs the concerns of those that won't even have an option to purchase insurance because companies won't cover them if Obamacare goes away?

Obama is already willing to give states the option of coming up with their own healthcare plans if they don't like a mandate and determine a better way to provide healthcare, with similiar benefits in 2014.

We will see if the same people that are against a mandate are willing to support this flexibility for states that otherwise would not have gone into effect until 2017 under current law, and if this compromise is accepted, and the current law is modified by congress, how much success the states will have coming up with their own plans.

Maybe your state will take this route and your medication coverage might not be affected, with a healthcare plan designed by your state.

This thread has become boring. I should have dropped it as soon as the Godwin was demonstrated.

It is an attempt for liberal democrats to make it more intrusive than Obamacare.



Here is my solution the US Supreme Court throws the entire piece of trash out and we start from scratch.



If I remember correctly my state is one of the ones that one the lawsuit in Florida. We don't have the money for Obamascam.