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That's very related with facial structure. Check that both Jack Kerouac and Albert Camus have a similar one, and that's what you find attractive. They only need to avoid overweight to keep 'hotness'. The same with, I don't know, Grace Kelly. She wouldn't need daily gym to be attractive.

Take Pete Doherty that likes this kind of shots and you see it's all about facial structure. And this is genetic. Some people have a pretty/exotic/attractive face and other don't.

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/116/28069 ... 4494c8.jpg
That's Taner Sagir.

I pretty much look like this now. Oddly both those guys are in the same weight class, 77K, but Taner has a higher bodyfat than Lu.

Also I think bodybuilding is kind of lame, and does have much of it's roots in homosexual stuff. This is pretty easy to historically verify. Basically, I've heard bodybuilding described as "The male version of objectification" which I think is accurate. But I think bodybuilding is sorta...dead. The media ideal of the 70s and 80s of every guy being hyooge, is pretty much over. Now because of feminism (f**k it, I'll throw around the Matriarchy in this thread, why not) all that's sort of expected out of guys now is mega ultra low bodyfat. I'm sure many people here have seen the pictures Kurgan put up of Justin Beiber and whatnot.

I don't think the Arnold or Lou Ferrigno kinda look is really preferred anymore. Part of the reason is, it's actually really simple. Drugs. Up until about 1991, you could be like "sup doc, I wanna get big and muscular, give me some steroids" and that was it. They weren't controlled substances. So the unfortunate truth about those times was, well, lots of people were on drugs to attain the muscularity. Sylvester Stallone for example, recently (as in like 2 years ago?) got popped with HGH in Australia. He's still on drugs to this day to attain his muscularity.

IMO, the cultural trends sorta just favor different genetics. The old cultural trend favors the mesomorph and endomorph genetics, and the new one ectomorph. Going with feminism blah blah blah, I guess you can see sorta psychologically why. Bigger giant muscular dudes=unneeded by matriarchal society. Smaller dudes with abs=soft sensitive Edward from Twilight boy toy. I think this is how it works societally as in what is being pushed by the media or whatever.

Also, I think the whole skinny boy with abs thing is now more of a thing because of obesity. People who in an earlier time would not be obese are now obese. The only people left not obese who don't make it a hobby are usually the natural ectomorphs who tend to weigh 130lbs. So the whole somatotype thing might have something to do with media standards, too. All the naturally muscular dudes now have too big of a layer of fat covering their muscles now due to our modern environment with wonderful GMO foods and xenoestrogens and estrogen injected into the meat to make it cheap enough so we can live decadent as all hell for no reason (yep, meat has estradiol.)

In real life, people like whoever the hell. I don't think media standards really matter a whole lot. Or maybe it's just me and not really having even turned on a TV in months and having Adblock on. I'm inclined to think personally most girls probably would prefer a muscular guy, despite their opinions to the contrary. It's like big boobs and big butts. Sure, maybe some guys actually don't like them, but most guys do.

Pete Doherty doesn't have the right facial structure to pull it off in pictures, so I see what you mean. If he wrote better music and wasn't such a waster, he'd be more attractive, though. I think part of it is the personality and talent of the guy. Doherty's too much of a wannabe.

I guess I like a handsome face, what can I say? None of the men I've been with would be able to pull off a 50s smoking beatnik photo, so I reckon that's the power of personality at work.

Sorry. Forgot the /sarcasm/ tags.

I do all of those things and I still find time to work out.

When in the military, I was working 12 hour shifts, but I still ran 30 miles a week, and lifted weights three times a week for an hour. And I still had to cook, clean, run errands, ect. (but despite what Kurgan seems to think, I still didn't look like Kristen Steward (sp?) or whatever female tart is considered "hot" these days).

My advice is, if you want to exercise, exercise because you want to get fit, not because you want to look a certain way.

I do all of those things and I still find time to work out.

When in the military, I was working 12 hour shifts, but I still ran 30 miles a week, and lifted weights three times a week for an hour. And I still had to cook, clean, run errands, ect. (but despite what Kurgan seems to think, I still didn't look like Kristen Steward (sp?) or whatever female tart is considered "hot" these days).

My advice is, if you want to exercise, exercise because you want to get fit, not because you want to look a certain way.

We should just make the real world black and white for the same of sexiness.

Some of his aura might disappear with him smiling, too. But if we banned smiling, I'd be damned.

Most men who workout like madmen and gain a sh!tload of muscle won't look like Zyzz or Dolph Lundgren either; they'll typically look like Zack Wylde or Thomas Hansvoll. The difference is, a man with excellent genetics for aestethics will still have to exercise like there's no tomorrow to live up to the pressure. Most aestetically pleasing muscle men have an ectomorphic build and would thus need steroids as well (everyone knows for a fact that this is what killed Zyzz).

I heard Zyzz was on coke, AND Trenbolone. Smart. Get a rec drug stimulant that massively raises blood pressure and pulse, and take it together with a steroid known for being the most aggressive of all steroids in the aspect of raising blood pressure/being horrible for you, and go in a sauna. I mean not that I think steroids are good, but to say "zomg roids killed Zyzz" is a bit stupid. Zyzz killed Zyzz. Also Zyzz was nuts and is rumored to have even used DNP to cut fat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,4-Dinitrophenol

But yes, bodybuilding is a weird basically anorexic thing taken to it's extreme end. People like to talk about things like "Little Girls in Tiny Boxes" regarding female weight issues, and certainly that's something to discuss. But I think ignoring men's issues like this and just saying "LOL GUYS STOP BEING A p**** AND TOUGHEN UP AND JUST BE CONFIDENT LOLOL" is bad. The male body image issues and routes they take to achieve said image is every bit as dangerous, if not more so, than girls starving themselves/etc (not that guys don't starve themselves whilst bodybuilding, all the guys on stage/in photoshoots are also dehydrated and pretty much on the verge of death.)

And this goes perfectly to Men's Rights. To diminish male problems like this and only play up female ones, on the news, in the media, etc, is bad. Is a man "weak" or a "loser" for being concerned about these issues, and "strong" if he goes and talks to people about how tragic it is girls are starving themselves eating like 500 calories a day trying to lose weight?

I heard Zyzz was on coke, AND Trenbolone. Smart. Get a rec drug stimulant that massively raises blood pressure and pulse, and take it together with a steroid known for being the most aggressive of all steroids in the aspect of raising blood pressure/being horrible for you, and go in a sauna. I mean not that I think steroids are good, but to say "zomg roids killed Zyzz" is a bit stupid. Zyzz killed Zyzz. Also Zyzz was nuts and is rumored to have even used DNP to cut fat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,4-Dinitrophenol

But yes, bodybuilding is a weird basically anorexic thing taken to it's extreme end. People like to talk about things like "Little Girls in Tiny Boxes" regarding female weight issues, and certainly that's something to discuss. But I think ignoring men's issues like this and just saying "LOL GUYS STOP BEING A p**** AND TOUGHEN UP AND JUST BE CONFIDENT LOLOL" is bad. The male body image issues and routes they take to achieve said image is every bit as dangerous, if not more so, than girls starving themselves/etc (not that guys don't starve themselves whilst bodybuilding, all the guys on stage/in photoshoots are also dehydrated and pretty much on the verge of death.)

And this goes perfectly to Men's Rights. To diminish male problems like this and only play up female ones, on the news, in the media, etc, is bad. Is a man "weak" or a "loser" for being concerned about these issues, and "strong" if he goes and talks to people about how tragic it is girls are starving themselves eating like 500 calories a day trying to lose weight?

I heard Zyzz was on coke, AND Trenbolone. Smart. Get a rec drug stimulant that massively raises blood pressure and pulse, and take it together with a steroid known for being the most aggressive of all steroids in the aspect of raising blood pressure/being horrible for you, and go in a sauna. I mean not that I think steroids are good, but to say "zomg roids killed Zyzz" is a bit stupid. Zyzz killed Zyzz. Also Zyzz was nuts and is rumored to have even used DNP to cut fat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,4-Dinitrophenol

But yes, bodybuilding is a weird basically anorexic thing taken to it's extreme end. People like to talk about things like "Little Girls in Tiny Boxes" regarding female weight issues, and certainly that's something to discuss. But I think ignoring men's issues like this and just saying "LOL GUYS STOP BEING A p**** AND TOUGHEN UP AND JUST BE CONFIDENT LOLOL" is bad. The male body image issues and routes they take to achieve said image is every bit as dangerous, if not more so, than girls starving themselves/etc (not that guys don't starve themselves whilst bodybuilding, all the guys on stage/in photoshoots are also dehydrated and pretty much on the verge of death.)

And this goes perfectly to Men's Rights. To diminish male problems like this and only play up female ones, on the news, in the media, etc, is bad. Is a man "weak" or a "loser" for being concerned about these issues, and "strong" if he goes and talks to people about how tragic it is girls are starving themselves eating like 500 calories a day trying to lose weight?

I never said that steroids automatically will kill you (they have their place in sports), but for a man with a scrawny build to look like Zyzz, lethal amounts of various drugs are needed.



Nobody said anorexia was a good thing. Few men and few women's magazines tell women that 500 calories a day and looking like a stick figure is the ideal either. Most of the female actresses you see aren't anorectic, nor are most female singers or reality show contestants.

Most women rated as the most attractive by Ask Men aren't undernourished, but are in the lower end of the ideal fat range.

I could do that if my life was 100% rote routine. Not while having to do things that stress out my brain or a typical job where I spend miserable hours on end standing around or sitting at a desk fighting the urge to nod off. I also need some free time where I'm not too tired to enjoy anything.

I'm working out now because I want to be able to scramble/climb mountains. Like this I climbed last year.

You were probably more muscular than her, though (if your diet was right, that is).

To look like Kristen Stewart, you need genetics (mostly high estrogen levels and a small frame) and you need to be slim; no exercise is needed.

The difference is, a man with excellent genetics for aestethics will still have to exercise like there's no tomorrow to live up to the pressure. Most aestetically pleasing muscle men have an ectomorphic build and would thus need steroids as well (everyone knows for a fact that this is what killed Zyzz).

The women in this list would probably be harassed for being masculine: http://www.afterellen.com/people/2007/7 ... page=1%2C0

But they are actually very attractive not at all ugly. Gender stereotypes again.

This is not about gender. If you look different from most of the people in your group, you get harassed. If you're a woman dressing as a man, you get harassed. If you're a WASP dressing as a gangsta bro, you get harassed. If you're 60 years old and you're dressing as a teenager, you get harassed. If you live in our decade and you dress as you lived in 70s, you get harassed. If you go out to a Pub a Friday night and you dress as you were in Hawaii, you get harassed. If you walk naked in the promenade, you get harassed. If you use a plantpot as a hat, you get harassed.

This is not about f***ing genders. I'm sorry, but the world doesn't rotate around women that don't care to look feminine enough.

If the female beauty standards were as demanding as male beatury standards (i.e. any Hollywood woman had to workout as hard as Hugh Jackman does), pretty much any woman in any lightly dressed role would look like a bikini fitness woman (the 21. century one, that is, not the 1990's one). If standards were "fair", Spartacus would be filled with actors with mediocre amounts of lean mass and 12-14% body fat.