i am legitimately scared about trump becoming president

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Actually he IS weak. He has allowed armed anti-government demonstrators to use force to get their way instead of sending in heavily armed federal law enforcement. Clinton refused to tolerate this behavior and sent the message loud and clear about the consequences for such behavior. Obama backing down to Cliven Bundy 2 years ago has emboldened Neo-Nazi right wing insurgents who are now doing the same thing in Eastern Oregon and federal law enforcement is nowhere to be found.

You are extremely vitriolic and your posts reek of butthurt anger. Urban violence is nothing like the old west. It's much nastier. And the stupidity of your argument comes from your fantasy that outlawing firearms will somehow make them disappear......America has tried to do this with recreation drugs and it has FAILED. Do you realize that nearly 1 million AK-47s were smuggled into your country? Where do you think they ran off too? A society like mine has large numbers of people who are poor and desperate enough to break the law if they need to in order to make money.

Western Europe is now facing its own gun violence problem because of illegal guns being smuggled by the Russian and Ukrainian mafia. Like the AKs used in the Charlie Hebdo shootings and the November Paris Massacre. Or how about the San Bernardino shootings which were done with illegally imported assault rifles.

You are not female so for the most part you don't have to worry about being raped when you go out alone at night time. Try calling the cops when armed intruders break into your home with guns aimed at you and report back if you live to tell the tale!

you make some good points, but the truth is that blacks are being killed by police proportionally more than whites.

Better yet, just set fire to them with a blowtorch, seeing how they're strawmen for your argument.

How about a flamethrower instead? Now they're legal!

What about Poland?

This is something we can't really criticize due to lack of information. If blacks resist arrest and threaten police proportionally more than whites, this statistic makes complete sense. Other factors which could help this make sense is the environment in which the event transpires.

I'll be honest, I haven't looked up any numbers, but are we actually sure that blacks are killed by police at a proportionally higher number than whites? Or are they just the ones that make the news so there's a greater awareness?

It's a meme that implies a futile rebuttal attempt by someone losing an argument to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

I'm tired of people ignorant of Classical Mechanics(read physics) arguing that swords, knives, hammers, and other blunt/sharp objects are as deadly are guns simply because it's *possible* to kill somebody with them.

Bullets are supersonic. Distance = rate * time. The average velocity for a bullet fired from gun is ~2500 feet/second which translate to 1,705 mph. So when someone fires a gun aimed at your head from 30 feet away; doing the math we have (2500 feet/sec / 30 feet)^-1 = 0.012 sec = 12 milliseconds to reach your head.


This photo from the wikipedia article on mental chronometry shows the average reaction time for a human being:



So 12 mS is quite a bit less than the 330 mS you need to get out of the bullet's flightpath.

And this chart gives you an idea of how much force a speeding bullet exerts(in terms of muzzle energy). So a rifle bullet fired at close range will exert quite a bit more impact force than a hammer swung at full speed....and over a larger distance. THAT's why guns are more lethal weapons.

That's not what people are arguing, what they're arguing is that those objects are used in more murders every year than rifles generally and "assault weapons" specifically, which demonstrates that handiness trumps deadliness when it comes to criminal weapons choice. Incidentally, this is why people carry handguns and not rifles, despite rifles being far more accurate, powerful, and easy to use, they're just not convenient to keep on your person.

Alright, so you're now siding with the antis for no particular reason.
Now I know where you stand...

A gun is only as deadly as the person firing it - some people can't hit the broadside of a barn. However, ask Lizzie Borden how deadly a hatchet is. Or any of these fine people that did the following murders -

Non-Gun Mass Murders (worldwide):

By no means is this a complete list. I have focused on 2008, and NOT included the majority of terrorist attacks in recent times, most of which involve car bombs (London), attaché bombs on trains (Madrid), the Sarin gas attack in Tokyo, etc. (and in fact almost all modern terrorist attacks are done without guns for the reasons of efficiency stated above).

Arson, Stabbing Rampage in Seoul South Korea : 10/20/2008. 6 people dead, 5 from stabbing. 7 others wounded, 4 seriously. An angry man felt people “looked down on him.”

Anti-police stabbing spree in Shanghai, China: 7/2008. 6 Police Officers stabbed to death, 4 wounded. 28 year old man angry at police attacked a police station with a knife.

Akihabara Massacre, Chiyoda City, Tokyo, Japan: 6/8/2008. 7 people killed (3 struck by car, 4 by stabbing), many more injured. Man slammed into a crowd with his car, then jumped out and began stabbing people to death.

18 year old slashes 4 to death in Sitka, Alaska, US: 3/25/2008. 4 people killed. 18 year old (old enough to purchase a rifle over the counter) kills 4 people, related to him, with a 5 inch knife.

Stabbing Spree kills 2, Tsuchiura, Japan: 3/23/2008. 2 killed, 7 wounded. Man “just wanted to kill anyone.”

Stabbing spree wounds 41, 6 seriously in Berlin Train Station: 5/26/2006. 41 wounded, 6 seriously. Thankfully no one died in this attack, but not for lack of trying on the part of the drunk 16 year old.

4 killed in stabbing spree in London, UK: 9/2004. 4 killed, 2 wounded. Mentally ill man attacks mostly older people.

6 killed over Xbox dispute in Deltona, Florida, US: 8/6/2004. 6 killed. 4 men (all old enough to legally purchase firearms) bludgeon 6 people to death with baseball bats over purloined Xbox.

Daegu subway fire, Daegu, South Korea: 2/18/2003. 198 killed, 147 injured. A 56 year old unemployed taxi driver, dissatisfied with his medical treatment, sets fire to a crowded train.

Osaka School Massacre, Osaka Japan: 6/8/2001. 8 children dead, 13 other children and 2 teachers wounded. Committed by 37 year old former janitor armed with a kitchen knife.

Thankfully mass murders are extremely rare. There are 200 hundred million adults in the United States and only a few mass murders per year (any weapon). Per capita, I have seen statistics that claim Europe as a whole has fairly close to the same number of people murdered in mass murders as the US, though a far lower gun ownership rate and a far lower overall murder rate.

Hey, Howdy Mr. R.! Good seeing ya around these here parts!

http://www.villiscaiowa.com/

And how about this one - the Villisca ax murders in 1912. Oldie, but a goodie.

There were 8 people in this small house - 6 kids and 2 adults - all sleeping on separate floors and some two to a bed. The murderer, that is still unknown to this day (case has never been solved), had one ax and was able to kill all 8 with NONE of them waking up. I'm still baffled how that could have happened. Evidently, they couldn't hear the ax and it must have killed each one instantly. Maybe if the killer had used a gun the kids on the lower levels might have heard it and could have escaped.

Woo! Gives me the chills just thinking about it. They say the place is haunted too, just in case you believe in ghosts.

So you see, you don't really need a gun to get the job done.

I'm never too far away.

Thank you for clarifying. However, more than 50% of homicides in the US are committed with a firearm. And 75% of those killed by gunfire are shot by handguns. So without a doubt, handguns are America's deadliest weapons in terms of the sheer number of those killed by them.

There have been a number of gun massacres carried out with semiautomatic rifles(like the bushmaster and AR-15) in the last 5 years but I would like to see some stats out of morbid curiosity on those killed with actual assault rifles which are primarily used by terrorists and gangsters(when they do a drive-by shooting).




WRONG.


I'm pro-gun, but I'm also pro-facts. Guns are deadly, which is precisely why we need em to defend ourselves.

We'll see...