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28 Feb 2021, 2:37 pm

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Doesn't matter, the Nazis were in control when the "neighbors" were beating up jews. The people doing the beating were infact members of the nazis. She was trying to compare Nazis with democrats. Not on...


Not sure what you mean by "in control" but maybe I'm making too generous assumption with regards to your knowledge of history.



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28 Feb 2021, 2:40 pm

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Are you defending Ms. Carano and her racist rants?

Begging the question; fifteen yard penalty



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28 Feb 2021, 2:53 pm

Ms Carano, basically, made a hyperbolic comparison.

Imagine me comparing my experience being bullied to being under Nazi rule?



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28 Feb 2021, 3:11 pm

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Ms Carano, basically, made a hyperbolic comparison.

Imagine me comparing my experience being bullied to being under Nazi rule?


Are you aware of how the Nazis came into power? They didn't even have a majority when Hitler became chancellor.

The point being the Nazis gained institutional power and also used black & tan tactics long before any "final solution". I think Ben Shapiro's analysis when this first blew up was in point: the comparison was overwrought but not antisemitic or even wrong. (not a Ben Shapiro fan but soghht his take considering he's a very observant orthodox Jew)



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28 Feb 2021, 3:31 pm

Well another thing is, the word nazi as a comparison, is used all the time in the US. Everyone uses it on social media in political talks. If you are being politically bullied the most common name for Americans to call the bully is a nazi. So since everyone uses it, I don't think that Carano is an exception to the rule. I feel it's hypocritical to make one person an acception to the rule, when everyone else is doing it.



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28 Feb 2021, 3:32 pm

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On the other hand, we have a highly partisan observer who constantly denigrates those with different political views to their own, and who is claiming "knowledge" of what another person intended (who coincidentally has different political views to their own).

I know who I'd believe in a situation such as this...


Yes but it's not about "one partisan" observer is it. Carano's comments did trigger many people. I am not above giving due process and sacking people for commenting on social media. However her comparisons were questionable and given she has become so high profile then she does have to carry the responsibility.

If you recall Mohammed Ali (the boxer) and a number of African American entertainers like Eartha Kitt made a stance against the Vietnam war and were enthusiastically cancelled by the American public. It's not like her sacking was that much of a shock.



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28 Feb 2021, 3:34 pm

Ball wrote:
cyberdad wrote:

Doesn't matter, the Nazis were in control when the "neighbors" were beating up jews. The people doing the beating were infact members of the nazis. She was trying to compare Nazis with democrats. Not on...


Not sure what you mean by "in control" but maybe I'm making too generous assumption with regards to your knowledge of history.


Pulling the strings....



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28 Feb 2021, 4:06 pm

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If you recall Mohammed Ali (the boxer) and a number of African American entertainers like Eartha Kitt made a stance against the Vietnam war and were enthusiastically cancelled by the American public. It's not like her sacking was that much of a shock.

Are you saying he should have been?



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28 Feb 2021, 5:07 pm

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... If you recall Mohammed Ali (the boxer) and a number of African American entertainers like Eartha Kitt made a stance against the Vietnam war and were enthusiastically cancelled by the American public. It's not like her sacking was that much of a shock.
In 1966, Muhammad Ali refused to be drafted into the military, citing his religious beliefs and ethical opposition to the Vietnam War.  He was found guilty of draft evasion so he faced 5 years in prison and was stripped of his boxing titles.  He stayed out of prison as he appealed the decision to the Supreme Court, which overturned his conviction in 1971, but he had not fought for nearly four years and lost a period of peak performance as an athlete.  Ali's actions as a conscientious objector to the Vietnam War made him an icon for the larger counterculture generation, and he was a very high-profile figure of racial pride for African Americans during the civil rights movement and throughout his career.

In 1968, Eartha Kitt's career in the U.S. deteriorated after she made anti-Vietnam War statements at a White House luncheon.  Ten years later, she made a successful return to Broadway in the 1978 original production of the musical Timbuktu!, for which she received the first of her two Tony Award nominations.  Her second was for the 2000 original production of the musical The Wild Party.  Kitt wrote three autobiographies.  Kitt found a new generation of fans through her roles in the Disney films The Emperor's New Groove (2000), in which she voiced the villainous Yzma, and Holes (2003).  She reprized the role as Yzma in the direct-to-video sequel Kronk's New Groove (2005), as well as the animated series The Emperor's New School (2006–2008).  Her work on the latter earned her two Daytime Emmy Awards.  She posthumously won a third Emmy in 2010 for her guest performance on Wonder Pets!

Yes, people do get "canceled" for expressing unpopular opinions; but this is by no means a "Kiss of Death" for their careers if: (1) they are great enough to overcome the social stigma, and (2) they refuse to let the social stigma keep them down.


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28 Feb 2021, 5:11 pm

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Oh okay, I thought she was talking about people being beaten in riots in the US over the last year in general, not the capital one particularly, but thought she meant in general.


According to her, that was what she meant. However, certain highly partisan people are deceitfully trying to push a narrative that differs from what she has publicly stated was the reason for the post...


You do have to consider that she probably backtracked given the consequences of sharing her inner thoughts to the world. It would not surprise me her lawyer told her to frame her comment "in general" to throw heat off. As I said the timing of her post in the midst of the FBI hunting the capitol rioters was likely the precipitating factor (even if she did unwittingly want to make a general comment).


It is a possibility.
But that is still only a supposition. 8)

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Ms Carano, basically, made a hyperbolic comparison.

Imagine me comparing my experience being bullied to being under Nazi rule?



Imagine me comparing my experience being gang-stalked to being under Nazi rule?



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28 Feb 2021, 5:20 pm

Ball wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Ms Carano, basically, made a hyperbolic comparison.

Imagine me comparing my experience being bullied to being under Nazi rule?


Are you aware of how the Nazis came into power? They didn't even have a majority when Hitler became chancellor.

The point being the Nazis gained institutional power and also used black & tan tactics long before any "final solution". I think Ben Shapiro's analysis when this first blew up was in point: the comparison was overwrought but not antisemitic or even wrong. (not a Ben Shapiro fan but soghht his take considering he's a very observant orthodox Jew)


Most people are ignorant about this.

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Well another thing is, the word nazi as a comparison, is used all the time in the US. Everyone uses it on social media in political talks. If you are being politically bullied the most common name for Americans to call the bully is a nazi. So since everyone uses it, I don't think that Carano is an exception to the rule. I feel it's hypocritical to make one person an acception to the rule, when everyone else is doing it.


Yes, 'everyone' uses the Nazi comparison.
It is cheap and nasty, but it doesn't make her a racist, based on what I have read in this thread.



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28 Feb 2021, 5:52 pm

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Yes, 'everyone' uses the Nazi comparison.
It is cheap and nasty, but it doesn't make her a racist, based on what I have read in this thread.

I don't see it as cheap and nasty in all situations. It just happens to be a point of history that most of us are aware of (although not well enough, apparently). Bad choices lead to bad outcomes is all she was saying.
I think she was trying to start a conversation, but you can't have a conversation with a mob. A mob only responds to emotionalism.



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28 Feb 2021, 5:54 pm

Pepe wrote:
Ball wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Ms Carano, basically, made a hyperbolic comparison.

Imagine me comparing my experience being bullied to being under Nazi rule?


Are you aware of how the Nazis came into power? They didn't even have a majority when Hitler became chancellor.

The point being the Nazis gained institutional power and also used black & tan tactics long before any "final solution". I think Ben Shapiro's analysis when this first blew up was in point: the comparison was overwrought but not antisemitic or even wrong. (not a Ben Shapiro fan but soghht his take considering he's a very observant orthodox Jew)


Most people are ignorant about this.

ironpony wrote:
Well another thing is, the word nazi as a comparison, is used all the time in the US. Everyone uses it on social media in political talks. If you are being politically bullied the most common name for Americans to call the bully is a nazi. So since everyone uses it, I don't think that Carano is an exception to the rule. I feel it's hypocritical to make one person an acception to the rule, when everyone else is doing it.


Yes, 'everyone' uses the Nazi comparison.
It is cheap and nasty, but it doesn't make her a racist, based on what I have read in this thread.


Oh yes, I am not saying she is a racist for using it. I just didn't think she thought she should have been fired over it, when other actors on social media use the it, and keep their jobs, so I thought it was hypocritical to fire her over it, but other actors use it and they are okay.



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28 Feb 2021, 6:06 pm

Ball wrote:
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Yes, 'everyone' uses the Nazi comparison.
It is cheap and nasty, but it doesn't make her a racist, based on what I have read in this thread.

I don't see it as cheap and nasty in all situations. It just happens to be a point of history that most of us are aware of (although not well enough, apparently). Bad choices lead to bad outcomes is all she was saying.
I think she was trying to start a conversation, but you can't have a conversation with a mob. A mob only responds to emotionalism.


True dat. 8)



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28 Feb 2021, 6:08 pm

ironpony wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Ball wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Ms Carano, basically, made a hyperbolic comparison.

Imagine me comparing my experience being bullied to being under Nazi rule?


Are you aware of how the Nazis came into power? They didn't even have a majority when Hitler became chancellor.

The point being the Nazis gained institutional power and also used black & tan tactics long before any "final solution". I think Ben Shapiro's analysis when this first blew up was in point: the comparison was overwrought but not antisemitic or even wrong. (not a Ben Shapiro fan but soghht his take considering he's a very observant orthodox Jew)


Most people are ignorant about this.

ironpony wrote:
Well another thing is, the word nazi as a comparison, is used all the time in the US. Everyone uses it on social media in political talks. If you are being politically bullied the most common name for Americans to call the bully is a nazi. So since everyone uses it, I don't think that Carano is an exception to the rule. I feel it's hypocritical to make one person an acception to the rule, when everyone else is doing it.


Yes, 'everyone' uses the Nazi comparison.
It is cheap and nasty, but it doesn't make her a racist, based on what I have read in this thread.


Oh yes, I am not saying she is a racist for using it. I just didn't think she thought she should have been fired over it, when other actors on social media use the it, and keep their jobs, so I thought it was hypocritical to fire her over it, but other actors use it and they are okay.


There are more double standards than you can shake a stick at, agreed. 8)
Aren't we all aware of that, these days?



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28 Feb 2021, 8:09 pm

Hitler became Chancellor because he sort of browbeat President Hindenburg into it.

Hindenburg didn’t like Hitler.