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13 Jun 2012, 8:16 pm

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I hate the lack of American Nationalism in the Media.


What, you mean a lack of "AMERICA, HELLZ YEAH?"

'Cause if that's what you're looking for, switch on Fox. If you'd like something, I dunno, remotely less stupid, go elsewhere.


All nationalism leads to is 'I'm better than you because I'm 'insert nationality.' and you're not.' And quite frankly I do not find myself better than people of other nations just because I live in the U.S. Besides our government sucks and being nationalistic kind of goes along with supporting and going along with the government.


Not really Natonalistic also promotes protecting your country.


Well that is part of it obviously to be a nationalist one has to be willing to die for the nation and obviuosly the government since the government runs the nation you are claiming should be praised. Protection should be for you know protection not asserting some holier than thou attitude which kind of comes with nationalism. It would be better if there wern't any but like that's going to happen.


I happen to be a outspoken American Nationalist


Mmmhmm. And the bit where every time Nationalism becomes a thing the result is horrible death and war?


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13 Jun 2012, 8:16 pm

Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Joker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
I hate the lack of American Nationalism in the Media.


What, you mean a lack of "AMERICA, HELLZ YEAH?"

'Cause if that's what you're looking for, switch on Fox. If you'd like something, I dunno, remotely less stupid, go elsewhere.


All nationalism leads to is 'I'm better than you because I'm 'insert nationality.' and you're not.' And quite frankly I do not find myself better than people of other nations just because I live in the U.S. Besides our government sucks and being nationalistic kind of goes along with supporting and going along with the government.


Not really Natonalistic also promotes protecting your country.


Well that is part of it obviously to be a nationalist one has to be willing to die for the nation and obviuosly the government since the government runs the nation you are claiming should be praised. Protection should be for you know protection not asserting some holier than thou attitude which kind of comes with nationalism. It would be better if there wern't any but like that's going to happen.


I happen to be a outspoken American Nationalist


Mmmhmm. And the bit where every time Nationalism becomes a thing the result is horrible death and war?


Those things happen with or with out Nationalism



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13 Jun 2012, 8:18 pm

Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Joker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
I hate the lack of American Nationalism in the Media.


What, you mean a lack of "AMERICA, HELLZ YEAH?"

'Cause if that's what you're looking for, switch on Fox. If you'd like something, I dunno, remotely less stupid, go elsewhere.


All nationalism leads to is 'I'm better than you because I'm 'insert nationality.' and you're not.' And quite frankly I do not find myself better than people of other nations just because I live in the U.S. Besides our government sucks and being nationalistic kind of goes along with supporting and going along with the government.


Not really Natonalistic also promotes protecting your country.


Well that is part of it obviously to be a nationalist one has to be willing to die for the nation and obviuosly the government since the government runs the nation you are claiming should be praised. Protection should be for you know protection not asserting some holier than thou attitude which kind of comes with nationalism. It would be better if there wern't any but like that's going to happen.


I happen to be a outspoken American Nationalist


Mmmhmm. And the bit where every time Nationalism becomes a thing the result is horrible death and war?


Those things happen with or with out Nationalism


Your attempt to dodge the question fails. Every time Nationalism has become a thing for a country, war has been the DIRECT. RESULT. It's never accomplished anything positive, except perhaps to leave behind drinking songs. Do you have an answer for that? Wait: you don't.


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13 Jun 2012, 8:20 pm

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I happen to be a outspoken American Nationalist


Why though? I mean you don't seriously support this government do you let alone take them seriously? I don't think you can be a nationalist if you don't like the government. If you do its a free country do what you want, but obviously I probably disagree. There was a time however when I fancied myself more nationalistic...but I kind of came to the conclusion that i was just over-compensating because I felt.... well nevermind :oops: I don't want to go into that any further just glad I stopped that.


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13 Jun 2012, 8:28 pm

Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Joker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
I hate the lack of American Nationalism in the Media.


What, you mean a lack of "AMERICA, HELLZ YEAH?"

'Cause if that's what you're looking for, switch on Fox. If you'd like something, I dunno, remotely less stupid, go elsewhere.


All nationalism leads to is 'I'm better than you because I'm 'insert nationality.' and you're not.' And quite frankly I do not find myself better than people of other nations just because I live in the U.S. Besides our government sucks and being nationalistic kind of goes along with supporting and going along with the government.


Not really Natonalistic also promotes protecting your country.


Well that is part of it obviously to be a nationalist one has to be willing to die for the nation and obviuosly the government since the government runs the nation you are claiming should be praised. Protection should be for you know protection not asserting some holier than thou attitude which kind of comes with nationalism. It would be better if there wern't any but like that's going to happen.


I happen to be a outspoken American Nationalist


Mmmhmm. And the bit where every time Nationalism becomes a thing the result is horrible death and war?


Those things happen with or with out Nationalism


Your attempt to dodge the question fails. Every time Nationalism has become a thing for a country, war has been the DIRECT. RESULT. It's never accomplished anything positive, except perhaps to leave behind drinking songs. Do you have an answer for that? Wait: you don't.


Their are plenty of Irish Natonialists who have not waged war in the 20th century. Tequila is a british Natonialist Britian has not wage war with any country yet over their nationalism. Your left-wing strict thinking is showing



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13 Jun 2012, 8:43 pm

Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Joker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
I hate the lack of American Nationalism in the Media.


What, you mean a lack of "AMERICA, HELLZ YEAH?"

'Cause if that's what you're looking for, switch on Fox. If you'd like something, I dunno, remotely less stupid, go elsewhere.


All nationalism leads to is 'I'm better than you because I'm 'insert nationality.' and you're not.' And quite frankly I do not find myself better than people of other nations just because I live in the U.S. Besides our government sucks and being nationalistic kind of goes along with supporting and going along with the government.


Not really Natonalistic also promotes protecting your country.


Well that is part of it obviously to be a nationalist one has to be willing to die for the nation and obviuosly the government since the government runs the nation you are claiming should be praised. Protection should be for you know protection not asserting some holier than thou attitude which kind of comes with nationalism. It would be better if there wern't any but like that's going to happen.


I happen to be a outspoken American Nationalist


Mmmhmm. And the bit where every time Nationalism becomes a thing the result is horrible death and war?


Those things happen with or with out Nationalism


Your attempt to dodge the question fails. Every time Nationalism has become a thing for a country, war has been the DIRECT. RESULT. It's never accomplished anything positive, except perhaps to leave behind drinking songs. Do you have an answer for that? Wait: you don't.


Their are plenty of Irish Natonialists who have not waged war in the 20th century. Tequila is a british Natonialist Britian has not wage war with any country yet over their nationalism. Your left-wing strict thinking is showing


Nationalist factions control neither government. Your total and insulting ignorance of every topic you post in is showing.


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13 Jun 2012, 8:46 pm

Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Joker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
I hate the lack of American Nationalism in the Media.


What, you mean a lack of "AMERICA, HELLZ YEAH?"

'Cause if that's what you're looking for, switch on Fox. If you'd like something, I dunno, remotely less stupid, go elsewhere.


All nationalism leads to is 'I'm better than you because I'm 'insert nationality.' and you're not.' And quite frankly I do not find myself better than people of other nations just because I live in the U.S. Besides our government sucks and being nationalistic kind of goes along with supporting and going along with the government.


Not really Natonalistic also promotes protecting your country.


Well that is part of it obviously to be a nationalist one has to be willing to die for the nation and obviuosly the government since the government runs the nation you are claiming should be praised. Protection should be for you know protection not asserting some holier than thou attitude which kind of comes with nationalism. It would be better if there wern't any but like that's going to happen.


I happen to be a outspoken American Nationalist


Mmmhmm. And the bit where every time Nationalism becomes a thing the result is horrible death and war?


Those things happen with or with out Nationalism


Your attempt to dodge the question fails. Every time Nationalism has become a thing for a country, war has been the DIRECT. RESULT. It's never accomplished anything positive, except perhaps to leave behind drinking songs. Do you have an answer for that? Wait: you don't.


Their are plenty of Irish Natonialists who have not waged war in the 20th century. Tequila is a british Natonialist Britian has not wage war with any country yet over their nationalism. Your left-wing strict thinking is showing


Nationalist factions control neither government. Your total and insulting ignorance of every topic you post in is showing.


So you have read every post of I have made :lol: you stalker you :wink: I am flattered :D



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13 Jun 2012, 9:54 pm

Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Joker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
I hate the lack of American Nationalism in the Media.


What, you mean a lack of "AMERICA, HELLZ YEAH?"

'Cause if that's what you're looking for, switch on Fox. If you'd like something, I dunno, remotely less stupid, go elsewhere.


All nationalism leads to is 'I'm better than you because I'm 'insert nationality.' and you're not.' And quite frankly I do not find myself better than people of other nations just because I live in the U.S. Besides our government sucks and being nationalistic kind of goes along with supporting and going along with the government.


Not really Natonalistic also promotes protecting your country.


Well that is part of it obviously to be a nationalist one has to be willing to die for the nation and obviuosly the government since the government runs the nation you are claiming should be praised. Protection should be for you know protection not asserting some holier than thou attitude which kind of comes with nationalism. It would be better if there wern't any but like that's going to happen.


I happen to be a outspoken American Nationalist


Mmmhmm. And the bit where every time Nationalism becomes a thing the result is horrible death and war?


Those things happen with or with out Nationalism


Your attempt to dodge the question fails. Every time Nationalism has become a thing for a country, war has been the DIRECT. RESULT. It's never accomplished anything positive, except perhaps to leave behind drinking songs. Do you have an answer for that? Wait: you don't.


Their are plenty of Irish Natonialists who have not waged war in the 20th century. Tequila is a british Natonialist Britian has not wage war with any country yet over their nationalism. Your left-wing strict thinking is showing


Nationalist factions control neither government. Your total and insulting ignorance of every topic you post in is showing.


So you have read every post of I have made :lol: you stalker you :wink: I am flattered :D


You keep cropping up in threads I post in. As much as I'd like to, it's hard to avoid you.


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13 Jun 2012, 11:00 pm

Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Joker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
I hate the lack of American Nationalism in the Media.


What, you mean a lack of "AMERICA, HELLZ YEAH?"

'Cause if that's what you're looking for, switch on Fox. If you'd like something, I dunno, remotely less stupid, go elsewhere.


All nationalism leads to is 'I'm better than you because I'm 'insert nationality.' and you're not.' And quite frankly I do not find myself better than people of other nations just because I live in the U.S. Besides our government sucks and being nationalistic kind of goes along with supporting and going along with the government.


Not really Natonalistic also promotes protecting your country.


Well that is part of it obviously to be a nationalist one has to be willing to die for the nation and obviuosly the government since the government runs the nation you are claiming should be praised. Protection should be for you know protection not asserting some holier than thou attitude which kind of comes with nationalism. It would be better if there wern't any but like that's going to happen.


I happen to be a outspoken American Nationalist


Mmmhmm. And the bit where every time Nationalism becomes a thing the result is horrible death and war?


Those things happen with or with out Nationalism


Your attempt to dodge the question fails. Every time Nationalism has become a thing for a country, war has been the DIRECT. RESULT. It's never accomplished anything positive, except perhaps to leave behind drinking songs. Do you have an answer for that? Wait: you don't.


Their are plenty of Irish Natonialists who have not waged war in the 20th century. Tequila is a british Natonialist Britian has not wage war with any country yet over their nationalism. Your left-wing strict thinking is showing


Nationalist factions control neither government. Your total and insulting ignorance of every topic you post in is showing.


So you have read every post of I have made :lol: you stalker you :wink: I am flattered :D


You keep cropping up in threads I post in. As much as I'd like to, it's hard to avoid you.


Or it just so happens we happen to post in the same threads often



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14 Jun 2012, 12:23 am

The freaking immigration policies in the US.

My parents and I are here on visas, and it takes forever just to get a green card. I had to apply to college as an international student, which means little to no financial aid, even though we pay taxes in the US and have lived here for 6 years. We got our Canadian green cards before we even set foot in Canada, many years before.

Here's what I believe: If you're scared of immigrants taking your jobs, wise up and work harder. There's no excuse being lazy and then whining about not having a job. This isn't the 1960s. Get with the times.


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The freaking immigration policies in the US.

My parents and I are here on visas, and it takes forever just to get a green card. I had to apply to college as an international student, which means little to no financial aid, even though we pay taxes in the US and have lived here for 6 years. We got our Canadian green cards before we even set foot in Canada, many years before.

Here's what I believe: If you're scared of immigrants taking your jobs, wise up and work harder. There's no excuse being lazy and then whining about not having a job. This isn't the 1960s. Get with the times.


Why did your folks leave Canada, the Kinder Gentler America?

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14 Jun 2012, 9:33 am

My parents found new jobs in the US, and there are better educational opportunities as well.


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14 Jun 2012, 9:37 am

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My parents found new jobs in the US, and there are better educational opportunities as well.


Apparently your folks made a trade-off. Somewhat better opportunities in exchange for frustrating and infuriating American governance. So it goes. One never get 100 percent of what one wishes to have.

I am a United Statesean. I think the folks in this country are (by and large) a pretty decent bunch. I like it here. But I find our government raises my blood pressure from time to time. So it goes. The United States can use a great deal of improvement in the way it governs itself.

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Oooor, may be I just misunderstood his explanation. Fact is, it's my money. I earned it. If I had sat at home and done nothing, the gov't would have less income to tax. But I don't, therefore the gov't takes more and more every year. I am being punished for my achievements with an ever-increasing tax burden.


Fact is, it never hurts you to earn an extra dollar. Period.

You are not being punished for anything, and so long as you persist in your martyr complex, you will continue the pointless excuse for a legislature that your country is currently cursed with.

By all means hold the government to account for how much you are taxed, and the results that government achieves with those taxes. But you have gone to the unsupportable position of questioning the legitimacy of government and taxation ab initio. The former is the action of a responsible citizen. The latter is the action of an irresponsible one.


How is opposition to taxation irresponsible? I would think that relying on govt programs to solve my problems for me would be much more irresponsible.



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Oooor, may be I just misunderstood his explanation. Fact is, it's my money. I earned it. If I had sat at home and done nothing, the gov't would have less income to tax. But I don't, therefore the gov't takes more and more every year. I am being punished for my achievements with an ever-increasing tax burden.


Fact is, it never hurts you to earn an extra dollar. Period.

You are not being punished for anything, and so long as you persist in your martyr complex, you will continue the pointless excuse for a legislature that your country is currently cursed with.

By all means hold the government to account for how much you are taxed, and the results that government achieves with those taxes. But you have gone to the unsupportable position of questioning the legitimacy of government and taxation ab initio. The former is the action of a responsible citizen. The latter is the action of an irresponsible one.


How is opposition to taxation irresponsible? I would think that relying on govt programs to solve my problems for me would be much more irresponsible.


Hi. I'm your average below-poverty American citizen. My wife and I both work 40 hours a week with overtime if we can get it, and yet without food assistance we'd have to choose between being homeless, or starving. Taxes we pay on our checks (and that every other American pays) help us and millions like us who would otherwise be making the same harsh decision about their lives, often with little-to-no recourse to fix the problem and earn enough money to actually make a living. Additionally, those taxes do things like maintain public roads, ensure law enforcement, pay the wages for firefighters, and other such duties that have traditionally been the purview of The State, whichever state that is. Opposing taxation is essentially the same as saying that all of those things can take a flying leap out the window. THAT is why it's irresponsible.


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14 Jun 2012, 11:04 am

Lord_Gareth wrote:
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Oooor, may be I just misunderstood his explanation. Fact is, it's my money. I earned it. If I had sat at home and done nothing, the gov't would have less income to tax. But I don't, therefore the gov't takes more and more every year. I am being punished for my achievements with an ever-increasing tax burden.


Fact is, it never hurts you to earn an extra dollar. Period.

You are not being punished for anything, and so long as you persist in your martyr complex, you will continue the pointless excuse for a legislature that your country is currently cursed with.

By all means hold the government to account for how much you are taxed, and the results that government achieves with those taxes. But you have gone to the unsupportable position of questioning the legitimacy of government and taxation ab initio. The former is the action of a responsible citizen. The latter is the action of an irresponsible one.


How is opposition to taxation irresponsible? I would think that relying on govt programs to solve my problems for me would be much more irresponsible.


Hi. I'm your average below-poverty American citizen. My wife and I both work 40 hours a week with overtime if we can get it, and yet without food assistance we'd have to choose between being homeless, or starving. Taxes we pay on our checks (and that every other American pays) help us and millions like us who would otherwise be making the same harsh decision about their lives, often with little-to-no recourse to fix the problem and earn enough money to actually make a living. Additionally, those taxes do things like maintain public roads, ensure law enforcement, pay the wages for firefighters, and other such duties that have traditionally been the purview of The State, whichever state that is. Opposing taxation is essentially the same as saying that all of those things can take a flying leap out the window. THAT is why it's irresponsible.


And taxation is the ONLY way any of these things are possible, right?