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29 May 2013, 2:08 am

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I think men with 20" biceps and 8% body fat are more attractive to gay men with body building fetishes than women. Body building is definitely more about impressing other men than it is about impressing women.
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29 May 2013, 2:10 am

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Most women I know who like the male physique for its own sake are more into, say, Sean Bean (if they like rarr, manly) or David Beckham (if they like metrosexual). I'm no expert on those things but I'd say their muscle percentage is probably within the healthy ideal. Hugh Jackman would be too much 'like shagging a brick wall' as my friend would put it. Google Sean Bean topless (it's always a good idea) - that is almost objectively hotter than any bodybuilder.

Also, Iggy Pop is a guy you often see topless. Most people I know (of both sexes) wouldn't say no to the Raw Power 70s version and he was skinny.


Well, Sean Bean is one of my top 5 favourite actors, and highly respected since the pub stabbing story. The question is if he's hot because he doesn't bodybuild or even though he doesn't bodybuild. Let's take a normal guy, before/after, and no face so there's not 'pretty face' stuff like in the 'Tarzan' picture you posted, just body stuff.

You're a woman. So tell me, which is hotter?

[img][800:375]http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m512/CockasaurusPecs/2-4Progress.jpg[/img]

False dilemma. There's a hell of a wide range between those two.



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29 May 2013, 2:22 am

People actually give a damn what they look like other than whether it's healthy or not (I mean, to impress others and all that useless jazz)?

Shallow.



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29 May 2013, 2:30 am

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People actually give a damn what they look like other than whether it's healthy or not (I mean, to impress others and all that useless jazz)?

Shallow.

I don't think it's necessarily shallow, but 'what someone looks like' should not be the first or the primary metric by which they are judged as a human being.



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29 May 2013, 2:50 am

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The women in this list would probably be harassed for being masculine: http://www.afterellen.com/people/2007/7 ... page=1%2C0

But they are actually very attractive not at all ugly. Gender stereotypes again.

Wow, first time I've ever felt a little bit of zing towards women. Thanks for the link - new experiences are good!


I'm chuffed (British slang for very pleased.)

It took me ages to admit to myself I found some butches attractive, partly because it's outside of the norm and partly because I don't want to be like that myself.

I've also always had an undeniable thing for fairly feminine, pretty bbw types - the whole stereotypical big, bi goth girl thing. That was hard to accept for exactly the same reasons. Body ideals and gender stereotypes get to us queers, as well.


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29 May 2013, 4:37 am

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I don't think it's necessarily shallow, ... .


No, of course it's not, as it's about as deep and thought provoking as Og waving his newfangled club around to the cavehoneys.

That's deep.



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29 May 2013, 4:56 am

Apparently there is such thing as a "lesbian jawline" according to that article.



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29 May 2013, 5:52 am

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Most women I know who like the male physique for its own sake are more into, say, Sean Bean (if they like rarr, manly) or David Beckham (if they like metrosexual). I'm no expert on those things but I'd say their muscle percentage is probably within the healthy ideal. Hugh Jackman would be too much 'like shagging a brick wall' as my friend would put it. Google Sean Bean topless (it's always a good idea) - that is almost objectively hotter than any bodybuilder.

Also, Iggy Pop is a guy you often see topless. Most people I know (of both sexes) wouldn't say no to the Raw Power 70s version and he was skinny.


Well, Sean Bean is one of my top 5 favourite actors, and highly respected since the pub stabbing story. The question is if he's hot because he doesn't bodybuild or even though he doesn't bodybuild. Let's take a normal guy, before/after, and no face so there's not 'pretty face' stuff like in the 'Tarzan' picture you posted, just body stuff.

You're a woman. So tell me, which is hotter?

[img][800:375]http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m512/CockasaurusPecs/2-4Progress.jpg[/img]

False dilemma. There's a hell of a wide range between those two.


Yeap. Obviously. You don't wake up one day and the body has completely changed.

And? where's the bloody problem?

It's like: what do like the most, red or green? Oh, false dilemma. There's a hell of a wide range between those two. Yeap, but, WTF are you talking about?

Anyway, that's your problem, man, up to your to look and post for a picture for every f*****g day during all those months. I have better things to do.


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29 May 2013, 7:21 am

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The complainers are the minority of men who are losers in the system, and therefore, this type of complaining is almost always a sign of being weak and a loser.


Losers or not, they have the right to complain all they want.

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29 May 2013, 11:05 am

Greb wrote:
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Most women I know who like the male physique for its own sake are more into, say, Sean Bean (if they like rarr, manly) or David Beckham (if they like metrosexual). I'm no expert on those things but I'd say their muscle percentage is probably within the healthy ideal. Hugh Jackman would be too much 'like shagging a brick wall' as my friend would put it. Google Sean Bean topless (it's always a good idea) - that is almost objectively hotter than any bodybuilder.

Also, Iggy Pop is a guy you often see topless. Most people I know (of both sexes) wouldn't say no to the Raw Power 70s version and he was skinny.


Well, Sean Bean is one of my top 5 favourite actors, and highly respected since the pub stabbing story. The question is if he's hot because he doesn't bodybuild or even though he doesn't bodybuild. Let's take a normal guy, before/after, and no face so there's not 'pretty face' stuff like in the 'Tarzan' picture you posted, just body stuff.

You're a woman. So tell me, which is hotter?

[img][800:375]http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m512/CockasaurusPecs/2-4Progress.jpg[/img]

False dilemma. There's a hell of a wide range between those two.


Yeap. Obviously. You don't wake up one day and the body has completely changed.

And? where's the bloody problem?

It's like: what do like the most, red or green? Oh, false dilemma. There's a hell of a wide range between those two. Yeap, but, WTF are you talking about?

Anyway, that's your problem, man, up to your to look and post for a picture for every f***ing day during all those months. I have better things to do.


The point is something in between might be just as attractive to a women. To a woman someone with the same body fat percentage but half the bulk as the person on the right might be just as attractive. The extra bulk is nice if you want to feel physically powerful, and I get that, but I think that's mostly a man thing.



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29 May 2013, 11:16 am

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The point is something in between might be just as attractive to a women. To a woman someone with the same body fat percentage but half the bulk as the person on the right might be just as attractive. The extra bulk is nice if you want to feel physically powerful, and I get that, but I think that's mostly a man thing.


Don't tell. Show. Post a picture of a slim/non muscled body that looks hot.

But one thing: to avoid the 'pretty face' stuff do what it's done in those pictures: cut off the face. Just the body.


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29 May 2013, 12:24 pm

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The point is something in between might be just as attractive to a women. To a woman someone with the same body fat percentage but half the bulk as the person on the right might be just as attractive. The extra bulk is nice if you want to feel physically powerful, and I get that, but I think that's mostly a man thing.


Don't tell. Show. Post a picture of a slim/non muscled body that looks hot.

But one thing: to avoid the 'pretty face' stuff do what it's done in those pictures: cut off the face. Just the body.


You just want me to search the internet? That's hard because I don't watch a lot of television or movies and I'm incredibly clueless when it comes to pop culture, male models, actors, etc... Also I'm not gay so I don't go around looking at pictures of shirtless men. Also, slim and toned is not the same as skinny and weak. I think a lot of women would find 14" biceps attractive enough on a person with low body fat. The purpose of having 16-20" biceps is to feel big and powerful, not to appear attractive to women.



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29 May 2013, 12:39 pm

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The point is something in between might be just as attractive to a women. To a woman someone with the same body fat percentage but half the bulk as the person on the right might be just as attractive. The extra bulk is nice if you want to feel physically powerful, and I get that, but I think that's mostly a man thing.


Don't tell. Show. Post a picture of a slim/non muscled body that looks hot.

But one thing: to avoid the 'pretty face' stuff do what it's done in those pictures: cut off the face. Just the body.


You just want me to search the internet? That's hard because I don't watch a lot of television or movies and I'm incredibly clueless when it comes to pop culture, male models, actors, etc... Also I'm not gay so I don't go around looking at pictures of shirtless men. Also, slim and toned is not the same as skinny and weak. I think a lot of women would find 14" biceps attractive enough on a person with low body fat. The purpose of having 16-20" biceps is to feel big and powerful, not to appear attractive to women.


http://bit.ly/10AjlcJ

Now just go to images. Pick the image that represents what you say, cut the head off and post it here.


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29 May 2013, 1:25 pm

I'm not going to bother cutting the head off. Just put your thumb over it.

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29 May 2013, 4:00 pm

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If the female beauty standards were as demanding as male beatury standards (i.e. any Hollywood woman had to workout as hard as Hugh Jackman does), pretty much any woman in any lightly dressed role would look like a bikini fitness woman (the 21. century one, that is, not the 1990's one). If standards were "fair", Spartacus would be filled with actors with mediocre amounts of lean mass and 12-14% body fat.

*snort* And if male body standards were as strict as female ones, Hugh Jackman would have to starve himself until he was having heart palpitations due to malnutrition.


No, not really. A man's ideal body fat range is 15-22%; a woman's is 22-30%. At roughly 20%, Katy Perry or most other female present day celebrities aren't that skinny. A woman with 20% bodyfat, is no more absurd than a man with a 12% bodyfat level. In any case, it takes a lot more for a man to reach 8% bodyfat than it does for a woman to reach 20% bodyfat, especially given that a man also has to retain a lot of muscle mass.

Absolutely every man with six pack abs has a fat percentage below the ideal levels. Abs usually become visible at anywhere between 6 and 10% bf (with 8 being the mean), but in rare cases, if the bf is very evenly distributed, he may have visible abs even at 11%. Likewise, in some extreme cases, if he has stubborn fat, the lower abs may still not be visible at 4-5% bodyfat.

An average American woman has 32% bodyfat; if she loses 10 lbs of fat + the water retention, she's no more fat than most female singers or actresses.



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29 May 2013, 6:04 pm

Greb wrote:
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Most women I know who like the male physique for its own sake are more into, say, Sean Bean (if they like rarr, manly) or David Beckham (if they like metrosexual). I'm no expert on those things but I'd say their muscle percentage is probably within the healthy ideal. Hugh Jackman would be too much 'like shagging a brick wall' as my friend would put it. Google Sean Bean topless (it's always a good idea) - that is almost objectively hotter than any bodybuilder.

Also, Iggy Pop is a guy you often see topless. Most people I know (of both sexes) wouldn't say no to the Raw Power 70s version and he was skinny.


Well, Sean Bean is one of my top 5 favourite actors, and highly respected since the pub stabbing story. The question is if he's hot because he doesn't bodybuild or even though he doesn't bodybuild. Let's take a normal guy, before/after, and no face so there's not 'pretty face' stuff like in the 'Tarzan' picture you posted, just body stuff.

You're a woman. So tell me, which is hotter?

[img][800:375]http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m512/CockasaurusPecs/2-4Progress.jpg[/img]

False dilemma. There's a hell of a wide range between those two.


Yeap. Obviously. You don't wake up one day and the body has completely changed.

And? where's the bloody problem?

It's like: what do like the most, red or green? Oh, false dilemma. There's a hell of a wide range between those two. Yeap, but, WTF are you talking about?

Anyway, that's your problem, man, up to your to look and post for a picture for every f***ing day during all those months. I have better things to do.


Way to either miss her point or completely ignore it for the sake of your asinine argument


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