ObamaGate is getting big

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I'm pretty certain I don't have egg on my face. Trump has hardly hurt Russia at all, save for a few incidents that were probably staged. Trump loves strongmen (which in fact does include Netenyahu), because he desperately wants to be one himself. And straight out of the totalitarian strongman playbook is the denial of facts, replaced with propaganda spewed by the Dear Leader. And for the record, I don't hate Russia for the Cold War, or really any reason. Rather, I view Putin and his circle of mobster oligarchs as an existential threat to my country, spurred on by a craving for revenge that has grown out of losing the Cold War.
By the way, Alex Jones fans the flames of the lunatic right with conspiracy theories about murdered children having never existed, heartlessly causing mourning loved ones to relive their trauma. Nobody working for CNN is that sort of scumbag. But Trump certainly is, as he's praised that fat f*ck and his insane ramblings.

Well it sure is strange how even the majority of Democrats are abandoning CNN and msnbc for producing nothing but garbage and lies and smear campaigns for many years all directed towards Trump and republicans all while not pressing back on or exposing any of the mass corruption involving the DNC, you might as well call CNN the DNC network.

Mighty strange how CNN's ratings are crashing while FOX news ratings are going up, I wonder what that means?

Even democrat journalists are bashing CNN for being political garbage rather than a news network. Around half of Democrats also know the muller report is BS and don't support impeachment and are getting tired of the DNC spinning their impechment and obstruction BS. Really, how do you obstruct an investigation by handing over every bit of information the prosecuters request for two years into an ivestigations started by a fake dossier paid for by hillary? All while he could have used executive power to stop it at any point he desired, like oboma did over 50 times with investigations into his corrupt plots.

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IF it's true, then it means people are switching from centrist and leftist lies to rightist lies, that's all.

^This

It is true, look it up. Fox has actually gotten much better than they used to be. The only fox I watch is tucker Carlson, I don't agree with him on everything, as said, the majority of information I am getting is from commentators which present the articles they are discussing as well as FOIA documents. When fox news manages to discuss the information I have learned I don't see where anything they are saying is false, it's all backed up by legitimate information.

And a few of the commentators I get my information from are journalists.

Staged? Yeah you have a lot of egg on your face. Rather than change when the evidence or lack of proves you wrong you make up or repeat some wacky conspiracy theory. I'm not going to keep repeating myself and wasting my time debunking you when you never learn or change.
'Strongman' doesn't mean anything. CNN lie about war and push war propaganda that leads to millions of deaths. They ignore Israel and the Saudis murdering children. They are worse than Jones and they parrot war propaganda even when Trump is pushing it. Utter disgrace.

Strongman does have a meaning. It encompasses your Dear Leaders like Trump, Ormon, Putin, Kim, etc, who consolidate power by means of an anti Democratic cult of personality, in which the press is suppressed, the truth is based on the whim of the strongman, and an enemy without and within becomes the Devil. You with your Antisemitism and your hatred of America makes you a willing pawn in the fall of the west. Your whole notion of Obamagate is just one part of the dream of an illiberal west that you are knowingly or unknowingly help to usher in with the millions of other nationalists.

It's so amazing how you describe what the democrats did yet insist it's what Trump did, he was simply the "target" of the scandal, it's your heroes that are the actual criminals trying to set it up so the can frame any candidate they may have beat hillary. If Trump had did a tiny fraction of the things they did he would be in prison right now, that much is incredibly obvious. They areally corrupt as s**t and try to blame Trump for the things they actually did. Imagine Trump demolishing computers and whipping drives, attempting to destroy 30,000 email muller wanted to see, the democrats would be going ape s**t and he would be convicted. Just as John stated, it's pointless to say these things to you, you are a conspiracy theorist who will stick to your beliefs no matter what kind of evidence is presented. If some of the go to prison I imagine you will say they were framed.

Ok. I just watch an interview on epoch times with a retired FBI agent laying out the odd behaviour with Comey and muller. With Comey on the hillary case, FBI agents do not decide whether to prosecute or not, they simple gather evidence to try to build a case, when they are done they hand that evidence to the DOJ, the DOJ is suposed to be the one's who decide to press charges or not. With the muller investigation and the false obstruction accusations, he said that to have obstruction you have to commit a crime to obstruct, you can't have obstruction without a crime you are intending to cover up. The suposed crime he was investigating was Russian collusion, with no evidence found on Russian collusion, there is no possibility of obstruction. In the words of corruption political hack muller, there was 0 evidence of collusion or conspiracy. He also pointed out the flaw with that, to do an official full scale investigation, standard practice is to have evidence to start with. Thus, as he stated, how do you start a full scale investigation without any evidence. If you end with no evidence, 0 evidence, then there never should had been an investigation.

Also, he said it was very shocking to hear Comey state to Congress that he leaked FBI documents to a friend whom shared that with media, by FBI policy, that in itself is a crime.

In the case of the dossier, that was only enough information for an initial look, once determined the dossier could not be verified, which hasn't happend to this day, that should had been, by FBI standards, the end. In no way should a full scale investigation begin with unverified information, that is not standard FBI protocol.

Apparently being a nationalist is against American interests. Even if you're American But you support American and Western imperialism. What a joke.

Lol, it's rather fun watching this corruption be exposed. This just in, the DNC hired PerkinsCOIE which hired CrowdStrike which are the private contractors claiming Russia hacked the DNC server that the FBI never actually checked. Also, PerkinCOIE hired FusionGPS which hired Christopher Steele whom produced the fake Russia collusion dossier which the information within came from someone directly connected to Putin in Russia. Keep in mind that some independent study came out saying there was too much information stolen from the DNC server and that it's more likely that, rather than being hacked the information was downloaded onto a flash drive.

That's very naive. Trump got away with plenty of sh*t as a dirty businessman for decades; that's how he's getting away with all this now. But now the spotlight is on him, and evidence is accumulating.
What have the Dems allegedly done?

No, I don't support imperialism, American or otherwise. My beef is about modern day fascistic states derailing my country out of spite for past history.

Lol, what have they done. Let's see....they sold guns to the cartels, they sold uranium to russia, they paid for false information from Russia and knowingly used that fake information to spy on political rivals, they may have even staged a hack on DNC servers, they used politically influenced intelligence officers, DOJ, CIA, FBI to carry out their corrupt deals to let hillary off the hook for several felony charges(the charges FBI had on her are expected to come out as well) as well as spy on Trump's campaign and try to frame him. The real question is what didn't they do? They have this magical double standard routine they constantly carry out, it's wrong for republicans to do something, even if it isn't illegal, while it doesn't matter if the DNC does extremely illegal things. As said, there is nothing in the muller report other than chopped up information pieced together to try to make it look as if obstruction into a crime that was never commited occurred so they can hold their fake and rather ridiculous congressional hearings all while inviting people who aren't even remotely involved in the muller investigation and have previously been imprisoned specifically for lying to congress. I'm sure I'm forgetting much more, they are doing all of this so all their conspiracy theorist followers stay pumped up. While you say Trump commited crimes and covered them up with a 2 year investigation in which the prosecuters reviewed every bit of information they requested, it will soon be released where the FBI actually has a list of felonies hillary commited all while Obama was aware might I add, and let her off, the real cover up. I know, I know, none of it's real, it's all a conspiracy and cover up with no evidence to suggest it, other than all the corruption within the DNC, DOJ, CIA, and FBI actually has records that are proving their corruption is real. You sure do put a strange level of faith in the DNC, FBI could have evidence that they murdered people and you would deny it, actually when they sold guns to the cartel, they used those guns to murder peopke. Anyway, watch the entire story flip as Bar is now investigating the beginning of the story, and it's seeming that it's possible it will be revealed that Putin actually wanted hillary to win so he could get some more uranium, Putin is aware that hillary is for sale.

Don't keep skipping over the fact, as quoted from an x-FBI agent, muller would have had to have collusion or conspiracy charges recommended to prosecute Trump for obstruction to even be possible. Muller should have had 'evidence' of collusion or conspiracy to even carry out an investigation. Your obstruction fantasy is impossible because of the standards of how the FBI opperates, there must be a crime you are attempting to obstruct, you can't obstruct a crime that has not been committed, it's a very simple thing.


Now, for the muller report, how much evidence was their for Russian collusion with Trump....0. In the eyes of a lawyer or prosecuter, what 0 evidence means is just as it sounds...0. There for, it cannot be determined a crime was commited if you have 0 evidence to suspect a crime was committed. Without any evidence of a crime you cannot obstruct an investigation, obstruction is the act of trying to cover up a crime that has been committed.

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Some more top-notch summarizing by a former naval intelligence officer -- this is well above the level of analysis you'll ever find in the mainstream media.

As the layers of conspiracy are peeled back, Brennan emerges as perhaps the key figure, and the real collusion between the Clinton/Obama axis and foreign anti-Trump operatives becomes clearer.

Spygate: Nunes, ‘parallel tracks’ against Trump, and origins in 2015

. . . Nunes refers in this passage to two “parallel tracks” by which the Democrats were waging a campaign to – in short – spy on and find a way to undermine Trump’s candidacy for president. One track was what Nunes calls the “FBI investigation.” The other was the effort by Hillary Clinton and the DNC to come up with defamatory information about Trump and package it as a narrative for adverse media coverage.

I put the term “FBI investigation” in quotation marks because that’s how Nunes refers to it. I believe it was more than an FBI investigation, and that it’s increasingly misleading to characterize it that narrowly. The evidence is piling up that there was significant, catalytic and instigating involvement by John Brennan and foreign actors, and meaningful involvement by people at the State Department.

https://libertyunyielding.com/2019/06/2 ... s-in-2015/