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09 Aug 2007, 6:01 am

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Having your own parents not accept you for what you are is different to them not accepting your decisions or what you choose to believe.


Except that a Christian does become, immutably, a Christian after they choose to believe and repent. So that, then, IS what they are, so when they're persecuted, it is for being who they are. They're a "new creature", "transformed", "reborn" -- that's what all those terms mean -- they're not spiritually the same as they were when they were physically born.

There.
After they choose.
I didn't choose to be gay. Neither did my friend who was bullied throughout school (even primary school) because of it and ended up depressed and suicidal.


I was depressed and suicidal several times in my life. Being gay doesn't give you any special qualifications or likelihood to be suicidal.

Not either being an aspie, but there are a few who are suicidals.
Must be another reason for that, not just the fact of being gay or being an aspie that make some people to commit suicide.

Bullying throught school, parents not accepting you are gay/whatever else. Having to come to terms with being different in a society geared more towards straight/NT people etc. I'm not saying being gay makes people depressed itself, I'm saying being treated like s**t can. Whether it's for being gay, AS, Christian, wahetever.



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09 Aug 2007, 6:02 am

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"Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you" (Matt 5:10-12).

Citing the Bible to people who believe it was written by men and not by any god, wouldn't do much help to your arguments.


Of course it does; it shows why I believe the things I'm saying!

We already know you believe this BS because of some old book. We don't need to know the exact parts. I always read your posts in threads I'm in, but I have to admit, I never read the Bible quotes.



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09 Aug 2007, 6:05 am

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Another thing I CONSTANTLY give up for my Christianity is dating women who aren't Christian. I realize that's best for me (no doubt about it), but it REALLY limits my selection. In fact, girls just saying they're Christian isn't enough; I have to really see that they probably are totally serious about Christ before dating them, or else I'm testing the Lord's patience. Paul said Christians can't marry non-Christians.

So, loneliness is a Christian sacrifice.

Tough sh**. You chose that. I don't exactly have a long line of girls waiting to sleep with me either.


Well, you never leave your flat, might be one reason. Another might be your avatar, no offense. Find a nice history-loving girl.

Most girls I know IRL aren't going to see my avatar on here. And tbh if they decided they no longer liked me because of something like that, I don't think I could be arsed with them anyway. And I did find someone actually (not that this has anything to do with the thread, but seeing as you seem to think my avatar repells everyone...) and she liked Rammstein as well. It went wrong for other reasons.



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09 Aug 2007, 6:06 am

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I like to live my life without having to be kicked into a corner every time someone asks my views on gays! But we don't all get what we want. Before I tell you all my views, I always prepare to be blasted with your rude anti-Christic intollerence, and it always comes through as expected. :P

But you're the one who starts off with this homophobic Bible BS. So you're practically asking for it. Whereas I don't walk around with a sign on my back asking Christians to come and preach to me.



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09 Aug 2007, 6:08 am

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Precisely "how" they're better at sucking cock is inelocutable, of course, but I think it's still true.

How could you ever know that?


How could YOU ever know that God doesn't exist? :P

I don't have any way of 'knowing' there is no God. I've said that on here before. There are differences between weak atheism and strong atheism. Even Richard Dawkins has stated that there's no way of proving the non-existence of a god, because of the nature of it.



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09 Aug 2007, 6:09 am

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Precisely "how" they're better at sucking cock is inelocutable, of course, but I think it's still true.

How could you ever know that?


How could YOU ever know that God doesn't exist? :P

I also ask that question

How can you know that God doesn't exist
and
How can you know that God does exist.

It's up to Ragtime to answer the second one. I don't claim to know a god doesn't exist.



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09 Aug 2007, 9:38 am

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Precisely "how" they're better at sucking cock is inelocutable, of course, but I think it's still true.

How could you ever know that?


How could YOU ever know that God doesn't exist? :P

I don't have any way of 'knowing' there is no God. I've said that on here before. There are differences between weak atheism and strong atheism. Even Richard Dawkins has stated that there's no way of proving the non-existence of a god, because of the nature of it.


that's because scientists know you cannot prove something with a negative result....... you need a positive control... which is impossible in this case...


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09 Aug 2007, 9:43 am

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even if there is a god Ragtime-I still wont worship him
he says I am evil
if thats so-eff him :P


I'm fine with that. :)


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09 Aug 2007, 9:44 am

Sopho wrote:
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Precisely "how" they're better at sucking cock is inelocutable, of course, but I think it's still true.

How could you ever know that?


How could YOU ever know that God doesn't exist? :P

I also ask that question

How can you know that God doesn't exist
and
How can you know that God does exist.

It's up to Ragtime to answer the second one. I don't claim to know a god doesn't exist.


all anyone can say to the second question (and ragtime has many times) is that they feel it in their heart... that wondrous joy that is god


but my question is... then how do i have that feeling? i somehow manage to find solace and peace and joy even in the midst of my tempests...

but he's said something to the effect (some other time) that people can have these feelings but that it is not of god.

that im not so sure about... cause then what's the point of god... heaven?

i dont care about the christian heaven... and was actually kinda disgusted when ragtime started describing how great heaven was and did so in a very materialistic way... jeweled stairways... bla bla bla

why would dead people care about having jewels and (not having sex, for one thing!)


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09 Aug 2007, 9:46 am

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But see, it doesn't even say that. Nor does it ever say to hate women.

The Bible doesn't say hate women, but it reflects the time and the culture when women were considered inferior, explain this:
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Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

1 Timothy 2:11-15



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Compare that with the Koran, which recommends wife beating for their disobedience (I've seen the verses). You're straining to put hatred of women in the Bible -- don't you think that's a sign it's not there? Whereas, the Koran gives you all the hatred you'll ever need in a lifetime, and much more! 8O And it orders its followers to kill homosexuals, unlike the Bible, which does away with that necessity in the New Testament. It even tells them to kill anyone who even disagrees with Islam. Yet virtually everyone on WP goes easy on the Koran, but hates the Bible. :roll: It's just such hypocrisy!

Isn't the Torah part of the Koran?

Aren't a few muslism regimes based in the Torah, which you know is also part of our Bible, to kill homosexuals?
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If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13


Yes, and you ignore my point about the New Testament.


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09 Aug 2007, 10:16 am

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why would dead people care about having jewels and (not having sex, for one thing!)

lol I think I'd choose sex.



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09 Aug 2007, 10:19 am

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As you stated before, how do you know for a fact that women suck better than men? lol
Because being straight one can feel better when a woman does to you than a man, that's not a fact, it's a subjective view, because you are just seeing this in one single point of view, that of a straight man.


Indeed, I've rather heard the opposite.


take that seinfield show for example.... they stick with their team cause they have access to the equipment WAY more... so how can women compete in that arena :lol: :P


Because God made them to match with men, hello... It's obvious, if you just open your eyes.


so how does this support your conclusions that women are better at sucking cock?

yet another point on which you shift your views at the first sign of dissention


Precisely "how" they're better at sucking cock is inelocutable, of course, but I think it's still true.
Perhaps a formal series of trials should be arranged...
And you're now doing the opposite of what you told Kilroy to do. You're being unnecessarily abusive in your language. How will he learn?


so first say women are better at it

then after my seinfield quote you say duh guys ar better at it...

now you go BACK to saying women are better

you have a very odd concept of logic... and i didnt ask how women are better... i asked how does saying men are better (see the bold) support your previous saying that women are better... plz read

and what in that quote was uneccesarily abusive?

and in general..... i am not attacking religion nor gays... just your logic


No, I meant that women are made to match with men. I see where the wording confused you. Women always have been better at felatio than men, and always will be, IMHO.


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09 Aug 2007, 10:22 am

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No, I meant that women are made to match with men. I see where the wording confused you. Women always have been better at felatio than men, and always will be, IMHO.

But how could you possibly know this?
Have you ever been sucked off by a guy?
And even if you had, all that would do is tell you whether this particular man was better or worse at it than your wife. No one can possibly know whether men or women are better at this until they've experienced that with every single person on the planet. And even then it would just be personal preference. Women weren't 'made' to match with anything.



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09 Aug 2007, 10:24 am

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you still havent explained why the feminine form is so artistic.... if it's common knowledge... you should at least be able to explain why....


Oh, so now I'm supposed to explain art? You can't fully explain any art: you either see it, or you don't.

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i am not tired.... my brain is much more efficient than yours

Okay, whatever, I was just trying to give you a helpful recommendation.


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09 Aug 2007, 10:30 am

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how do you and all the other christians know your god is the one true god
what if the witches got it right after all


I'm sure.


again...

not any moreso than any other poius person of any other faith


Yet only one is true. Either Jesus is the only way, as He claimed He is, or He isn't. This is true despite how sure others are against it.


why cause JESUS says so?

you cannot say this in an objective manner.... you can know it for yourself... sure... but that's the extent cause you could be wrong... even though you know you arent...


I'm stating a fact, not proving it. God's shown me that He's real -- not just real for me, but actually, truly, real.


if it's fact.... then it's not faith and you've managed to destory the whole principle of religion

sorry... but it is not a fact...


As I've explained before, there's faith AND knowledge in Christianity; otherwise we wouldn't have the Bible, we'd just blindly believe in an amorphic spirituality like "New Age" people. The Bible is the owner's manual to Christianity, so, just like a mechanic doesn't use "blind faith" to work on his car, but refers to specific schematics, so do we Christians refer to the Bible to tune-up our Christian beliefs.


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09 Aug 2007, 10:31 am

The mechanic knows his car exists though.