The atheist crusades must stop!

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Ata mevin Y'shua HaMesiach? Lo?
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i can get as much as Y'shua the messiah. I only know some basic hebrew. You have my respect for knowing
obviously considerably more about that.
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Really though, when someone just throws a lot of terms around, it doesn't sound right.
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I do the best i can??
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Also, you describe yourself as "autodidactic" which I myself am. College is really ridiculous if you think about how much it costs to take classes versus learn from books. Some of the topics I have studied are:

Theology:
-Baptist
-Pentecostal
-Messianic
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Essenes, Gnostics, Esoteric Judaism, Qaballah, Shamanism, Wicca, Buddhism, Taoism, comparative Paganism,
World Religious History, ...to name a few...
Ever heard of Huna?
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Science:
-Chemistry, 1st year college equivalent.
-Physics, 1st year college equivalent.
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Psychology- Doctorate
Sociology- Doctorate
Civil Engineering- Masters
Ethics- Doctorate
World Religions- Doctorate
World Religious History- Doctorate
Conversational logic- bachelors
Architecture - Bachelors
Psychonautics- Doctorate
Physics- Bachelors
Chemistry- High school. lol.
Energy Science- Doctorate
systems Theory- Post Bachelors, maybe as much as a masters.
Game theory- almost a bachelors.


Languages:
-English
-Spanish
-Latin
-Hebrew
-Linguistics in general
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I am extremely dyslexic and proud to speak english. I know about 200 words in hebrew.
Other than that, You certainly are way ahead of me there.
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After 6th grade, I've basically been my own teacher.
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I didn't learn to read till 8. I learned to read and then speed read over a single summer vacation.
By the time I returned to school i was able to read that years texts in the first week.

I don't worship the material world. I don't worship anything. That's the point.
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Yes, but have you ever obtained a waking theta brainwave state?

if not, then all you have is a false dilemma you got tricked into.

I don't, btw, worship anything either.

Psychonautics!? How's old coach Oleander doing?

No, but I have ridden the mighty moon worm.

It may surprise you, but psychonautics is actually considered by some to be a branch of psychology.

riding assorted worms doesn't count. A very large dose of LSD or mushrooms would technically count, but would also
be cheating, and didn't give you any chance for any kind of real insight into how the process of id resolution works.

The simple fact of the matter is, you either have access to waking theta states or you don't. If you do, then you know
what "religion" and "spirituality" really are, and you understand both the meaningfulness and the mental traps that can occur
with those words. You can see them as words or descriptions of things and even tell the nuances of how different people in different paradigms mean slightly different things when they use them. You understand perfectly well that there is no "GOD"
and perfectly well that "Religion" is for the most part a mental cage. You also see how atheism is just a reversed and inverted
form of that very same mental cage, and its blindlingly apparent that atheists missed the boat by rebelling in the wrong direction.

If you don't have access, then anything you have to say on the topic is like a blind man trying to tell me about color, or a painting, or the qualities of a sunset. You don't have any experience, you don't have any knowledge, and thus all you can bring to the table is a cognitive bias created by the very paradigm you claim to reject.

No matter, you claim to have a doctorate from a video game.

Do you also have a degree in Combine Biology? Or maybe a masters in Sim Psychology?

Sure, I've heard of Huna ... found my blue feather when I walked out of the house the morning after my first exposure to Huna. These statements of yours, combined with other references you have made to telepathy, etc lead me to continue to classify you as a mystic. The fact that you also explain things in terms of brain wave states or quantum thingies doesn't change that opinion.

Mao and his minions didn't come to atheism from Christianity - more from a rejection of Chinese feudalism.




Really?

Mao and his minions didn't come to atheism from Christianity - more from a rejection of Chinese feudalism.
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fine. Atheism is simply a reactive movement which arises when false religion takes on oppressive means and methods.

I admit you more or less have me there, and, since i have used this argument in many different places, I have gotten
lazy with it since nobody ever really knows that much about other religions. So, score 1 for your team,
atheism is not only confined to christianity, it indeed has arisen in other equally oppressive situations.

As far as you putting me into a box for your convenience and calling me a "mystic", you can do that in your own mind
and I can't stop you, but from where i stand, its just silly and meaningless.

What I am is many things, none of which are handy words to grab from the shelf of assorted rubber stamps.

Doctorate in Doom, perhaps?

No matter, you claim to have a doctorate from a video game.

Do you also have a degree in Combine Biology? Or maybe a masters in Sim Psychology?
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These ad hominems are pathetic, and, i believe against the rules.

no matter.

I don't play video games. I have access to waking theta states. The mind is much more advanced than any play station.

Doctorate in Doom, perhaps?
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again, if all you have is insults, all you prove is that you don't have an argument.

That makes two of us then.

No, I have presented anargument. Whether or not you agree with it, you have not presented a counter argument.

This is the third ad hominem.

It would be lousy for you if a newbie like me started to make you look even worse than you have already managed to make
yourself.

I suggest you quit reacting emotionally, maybe you should go play videogames, since thats what your projection reveals about you.

And animism might be the natural state of the human mind, but it's fundamental core is irrational or antirational. People don't understand the universe, so they fill in the cognitive blanks with something - often illusory correlation or gurgitations of the subconscious. The rains don't come and the crops fail - so people look around for an explanation. Just so happens that farmer Lek just built a new type of corral for his water buffalos ... must have displeased the spirits. These beliefs get compounded with various embodiments of the forces of natures (kamis, spirits, gods, or whatever name you like). Or Joe the pitcher pitches a good game when wearing purple socks. So he attributes his success to the socks. If he wins the next game wearing purple socks, it reinforces that belief. Even if he loses, he may fine tune the belief - maybe he washed the socks, maybe he switched which feet the socks were put on (thus crossing the streams and canelling the power). This type of thinking can be channeled into monotheism (christianity, islam, etc) where all explanatory power is reduced to binary good and evil factor - God and angels vs Satan and demons.

Rational empiricism is a reactive movement against the natural tendencies of the human mind to believe in unproven (often illusory) explanations of the world. Atheism and agnosticism fall within that framework of reason - given the lack of proof of the supernatural, some choose to believe only in the natural. The fact that the monsoon failed and famine ensued can be explained in terms of meteorology and climatology, not in terms of spirits or god(s).

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And animism might be the natural state of the human mind, but it's fundamental core is irrational or antirational.
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I accept that it is irrational and reject that it is anti rational. there is a difference.
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People don't understand the universe, so they fill in the cognitive blanks with something - often illusory correlation or gurgitations of the subconscious. The rains don't come and the crops fail - so people look around for an explanation. Just so happens that farmer Lek just built a new type of corral for his water buffalos ... must have displeased the spirits. These beliefs get compounded with various embodiments of the forces of natures (kamis, spirits, gods, or whatever name you like).
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Yes, religion is dopey like that. How does this relate to my argument? It doesn't. do you have anything else you'd like to uncan?
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Or Joe the pitcher pitches a good game when wearing purple socks. So he attributes his success to the socks. If he wins the next game wearing purple socks, it reinforces that belief. Even if he loses, he may fine tune the belief - maybe he washed the socks, maybe he switched which feet the socks were put on (thus crossing the streams and canelling the power). This type of thinking can be channeled into monotheism (christianity, islam, etc) where all explanatory power is reduced to binary good and evil.
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Yes, but the ironic thing is that the good/evil false duality is the very core premise of athiesm- ie; religion is evil.
Which it certainly can be, but all you are doing is the exact same thing in reverse.
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Rationalism is a reactive movement against these natural animistic tendencies of the human mind. Atheism and agnosticism fall within that rationalist framework - given the lack of proof of the supernatural, some choose to believe only in the natural.
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Christians often claim that christianity is the only "rational" religion as well. It makes just about as much sense. Theres nothing rational about being the victim of an evil religious paradigm which shuts you down to having spiritual experiences,
and then declaring that theres no such thing as spiritual experiences. In fact, all thats going on is an abuse cycle of violence. Got hit on the head by religion; decided to hit religion on the head back.
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The fact that the monsoon failed and famine ensued can be explained in terms of meteorology and climatology, not in terms of spirits or god(s).
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I agree. Again, has nothing to do with waking theta states of consciousness, or my argument.

oh, wait, i get it, you think I'm an animist